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Afghanistan
World Cup soccer returns to Afghanistan, supplanting former execution ground
World Cup soccer returned to Afghanistan on Sunday in a match at the stadium once used by the Taliban regime for public executions. The team lost - a respectable 2-0 defeat to neighbouring Turkmenistan - but that was a side issue. Some 2,500 Afghan fans cheered for their team every time the ball made it over midfield, and there was no violence. "I am so very proud, for myself and for my nation," said Ali Ahmad, a 19-year-old midfielder on the national team. "Some day, God will help us reach the World Cup final." Fans said they felt immense pride to be hosting a FIFA-sanctioned match, though some were embarrassed by the condition of the stadium, which is pocked by bullets and a bit short on grass. A shell slammed into the field during the civil war that largely destroyed Kabul from 1992-96. The Taliban regime, which came to power in 1996, initially banned soccer. They later relented, but demanded players wear "proper" clothes - long trousers and sleeves - and stop for prayers during matches. Fans were forbidden to cheer. The Taliban used Kabul’s main stadium for executions, with condemned men and women shot at midfield. "Today is a happy day," said Mohammed Qasim, a 22-year-old policemen standing guard on the field. "This used to be an execution ground for the old regime. But sport is an ambassador of peace."
Posted by: TS || 11/23/2003 2:57:14 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Still, there is something not right about playing soccer over the spot where people died in horrific ways. Soccer being so popular in Europe, you'd think some European country would help build a new field (doesn't have to be a stadium).
Posted by: Rafael || 11/23/2003 16:18 Comments || Top||

#2  Rafael, I am comforatable with whatever the Afghans decide. Between unexploded ordanance, mines and hallowed ground there wouldn't be much place left for folks to walk in that country. I'm with you; I would make the place a historic stie or plow it under. I don't claim to understand their culture in the slightest, though. Glad to see them watching sports. I'll be more comfortable when we get rid of the poppy fields and get our troops the hell out of there.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 18:55 Comments || Top||

#3  Actually, the stadium was built with European funds. The article is partially correct. Cheering and chanting as such were prohibited but fans were allowed to greet goals with "Allah Akbar!"

I agree with Super Hose that there really isn't anywhere in that poor country that isn't touched by tragedy. Soccer may reclaim that piece of ground for the saner, more civilized elements of Afghani society.

I'm really happy to read that story. Go get 'em, Lions!

Posted by: JDB || 11/23/2003 19:37 Comments || Top||

#4  This is really cool. No matter where the place. This is a huge change for the Afghan people. .Too bad it won't appear in any Media reports -- no body bags :(...

A quick scan of BBC and CNN... Nothing....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 11/23/2003 20:32 Comments || Top||

#5  I understand your feelings, Rafael, but another way to view this is that the Afghanis are refusing to allow the Taliban to own that site. By reclaiming the stadium for soccer, the Afghani people are repudiating all of the repression the Taliban fostered.
Posted by: rkb || 11/23/2003 22:45 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan frees 60 prisoners for Ramadan
Some 60 suspected Taliban prisoners, including 20 Pakistanis, have been released from an infamous jail in northern Afghanistan ahead of the Muslim Eid al-Fitr festival, an official said.
Guess their victims aren't dead anymore, huh?
"Sixty Taliban prisoners were released from Sheberghan prison today," said General Majit Rozi, deputy to Uzbek warlord General Abdul Rashid Dostum. Sheberghan, 130 kilometres west of the main northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif, is Dostam's stronghold. President Hamid Karzai had signed an order for their release as an amnesty ahead of next week's Eid al-Fitr festival, which marks the end of the Muslim holy fasting month of Ramadan, Rozi said. Around two years ago 3,500 suspected Taliban were held in Sheberghan but had been gradually released and now there were just 900 still held, he said. The militants had been captured during the US-led military assault to topple the hardline regime two years ago.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 00:05 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I hope they're released only because a ransom was paid...
Posted by: Anonymous || 11/23/2003 5:07 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Iran-based al-Qaeda member ordered Saudi attacks: report
A senior member of Al Qaeda residing in Iran gave the order to attack a residential compound in Riyadh on November 8, killing at least 17 people and wounding more than 120, a newspaper reported.
Tap, tap, there goes my surprise meter, although it does completely undercut my theory that the latest Riyadh bombings were the work of a cell operating independently of the senior leadership, which was trying to patch things up with the Saudis. Then again, they could have been trying to demonstrate that their capabilities inside the Kingdom hadn’t been degraded to the point where they couldn’t still launch attacks in order to increase their position at the negotiating table.
The Okaz daily, quoting unnamed sources, says Saif al-Adl used a Thuraya satellite phone to give terrorists in Saudi Arabia the orders to carry out the attack on the al-Muhaya residential compound.
Which he has likely just ditched, if this report is accurate, since he now knows that his communications have been compromised.
Adl is among a group of 500 suspected members of Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda terror network which allegedly entered Iran through the Baluchistan region during the US bombing campaign in Afghanistan, the daily added.
500 is quite a lot ...
The 500 are being detained and guarded by Iran’s army while some Al Qaeda leaders, residing in the Namak area, north of Tehran, are in touch with bin Laden as well as Al Qaeda members across the world, it said.
"Detained" implies that they are unable to engage in extra-curricular activities such as formenting global instability, and from the looks of things, the only custody that these folks are in is the protective variety. As for al-Adel and Co living up in Namak, word is that they’re being protected (along with their 500 fellow travelers, no doubt) by Qods Force, which is accountable only to Ayatollah Khamenei. They also appear to have some ties with Qods Force’s former commander, Ahmed (or Mohammed) Vahidi, who is now a deputy defense minister, as well as VEVAK supremo Hojjat al-Islam Ali Fallahian. Then again, for all we know Binny and al-Zawahiri were living it up at the latest Qods Day festivities in their new role as honorary Black Hats.
Adl appears to be the same person who, according to the Washington Post in May, was identified by US officials as Saif al-Adel and is believed to be an Egyptian Al Qaeda leader hiding in Iran.Okaz called the man al-Masri, which is Arabic for Egyptian.
That may also be a reference to Abu Mohammed al-Masri, al-Qaeda’s equivalent to finance minister, who is also said to be residing in Iran.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 11/23/2003 12:31:17 PM || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A Rantburg post recently identified that the main target of that attack were Labonese Christian guest workers. Any colaboration on that?

If the AQ guys are in Iran they must be well financed (bribery and all). Would it not be in Irans best interests to have the SA Royals destabilized especially if the Royals have started to crack down on jihadies. AQ, being beholden to their Iranian hosts, would make the call but single out foreigners to keep the purity thing alive. AQ gets SA, Iran gets Iraqi oil and sort out the major details later.
Posted by: Lucky || 11/23/2003 20:16 Comments || Top||

#2 
“A Rantburg post recently identified that the main target of that attack were Labonese Christian guest workers. Any colaboration on that? “


From the powerhouse of truth (memri.org)

The Victims of the Riyadh Bombing: Americans and Lebanese Christians

When asked about the recent bombing in Riyadh, Al-Hijazi referred to Saudi media reports – which claimed that in the attack Muslim women and children were killed – as "merely media deceit." He added: "This place was under surveillance for many months. Following a thorough investigation, it became perfectly clear to us that the people living there were at least 300 Americans and a large group of Lebanese Christians who had tortured Muslims there, in Lebanon, during the civil war. After consultation, we decided it was appropriate to attack this place and destroy it, including the people who lived there, because it housed Americans and a large majority of Christians holding Lebanese citizenship.

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP60903
Posted by: Lizzel || 11/24/2003 0:18 Comments || Top||


‘Militants planning to bomb Saudi oil province’
Islamist militants are planning further attacks in Saudi Arabia targeting the kingdom’s oil-rich eastern province, the Washington-based Saudi Institute Press (SIP) reported on Saturday, quoting a Saudi security source. “Armed extremists are planning bombings and attacks in the eastern province, targeting Westerners, Shiite communities and economic facilities,” said SIP, a non-profit organisation that runs aggressive campaigns to promote the rule of law, transparency and civil society in the kingdom.
I wonder how long it'll be before they start hitting pipelines and processing facilities?
In an email to AFP, the “independent” institute said a Saudi citizen revealed that security authorities arrested four militants nearly two months ago after they rented an apartment in Nasiryah, in the eastern province, where they were preparing attacks. The landlord became suspicious and notified police, the citizen said.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 11:19 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It will be interesting to see whether they hurt the very pipelines that are funding their activities.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 11:23 Comments || Top||

#2  If we are unable or unwilling to cut off the source of funding (ooooiiiiiilllll) then this is one way (strange as it is) to do it. I would imagine that all the princes are high cash flow dudes, so drying up the oil revenues should help, IMHO.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 11/23/2003 13:23 Comments || Top||

#3  It won't mean a thing unless the funding coming from the mosques is shut off, too.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 11/23/2003 14:03 Comments || Top||

#4  Actually, the top tier of the House of Saud are pretty well invested in Western financial markets. But I'd bet that the rest of the Kingdom would suffer a good deal from a disruption of their oil production.


The royal family is huge now ... they all had a bunch of kids once the oil money started flowing. And of course, not all of them can really live like the oldest generation, but neither do they expect to work for a living in any way.


I think they've backed themselves into a huge corner *within* their family as well as with regard to their overall population.

Posted by: rkb || 11/23/2003 16:51 Comments || Top||

#5  Too bad so much of their wealth goes to formenting external evil of one form or another. It's certainly not the country it could be.
Posted by: Anonymous || 11/23/2003 18:10 Comments || Top||

#6  It will be interesting to see whether they hurt the very pipelines that are funding their activities.

It's the middle east, what else can they do?
Posted by: Shipman || 11/23/2003 19:57 Comments || Top||


UAE satellite firm cooperates with Saudis on al-Qaeda
The leading Gulf Arab telecommunications company has been quietly cooperating with Saudi Arabia in the war against Al Qaida. Thuraya Satellite Telecommunications Co. has been supplying information to Saudi security services on customers believed to be Al Qaida agents. Industry and Saudi sources said the cooperation began earlier this year after Saudi authorities raised concerns that Al Qaida operatives bought Thuraya satellite phones for use in Afghanistan and in the Persian Gulf.
So go ahead. Tell the world about it.
Thuraya executives have denied that the United Arab Emirates company has knowingly sold satellite phones to Al Qaida agents. They said an investigation has not turned up any sets in Afghanistan. But the executives said the satellite telephones were found among weapons and drug smugglers who might have been linked to Al Qaida in Gulf Cooperation Council and other states in the region. They said the sets, which have global positioning systems, were tracked to such countries as Qatar, the UAE and Yemen.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 00:06 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So much for the quiet cooperation.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 10:11 Comments || Top||


Saudis said to fund Syrian occupation of Lebanon
Saudi Arabia is said to be financing Syria's occupation of Lebanon and Syrian special forces have been prepared to help bolster the unreliable Saudi security forces.
Is there anything oppressive these guys don't pay for?
A new report said Saudi Arabia has been a major contributor to the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad. This includes Saudi investment in Syria and in Syrian-controlled Lebanon and preparing a Syrian force that could be called in to replace U.S. troops in the kingdom. "Tested by near-continuous engagement in several Arab-Israeli wars, vigorous internal policing, and action in Lebanon, Syrian troops contrast sharply with the inexperienced and largely inefficient Saudi military," the report by the Middle East Intelligence Bulletin said." This battle-hardened Arab-Muslim force is a low-premium insurance against a day that the Americans decide to leave the Saudis to defend themselves against external threat."
Which we're hoping is any time now...
Syrian troops remained longer than most of the other U.S.-led coalition members in the 1991 war against Iraq, the report, entitled "The Syrian-Saudi Arabian Nexus," said. The report also said the Saudi royal family has relied on Syrian intelligence agencies to battle internal threats to Riyad, particularly by Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz.
Ummm... That sentence doesn't make any sense.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 00:06 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  How can our president say he loathes kim il dong, and at the same time, break bread with these terrorist fucks. Why does he not also loath the saudi prince terrorist, Feltching Bim Abdul Aziz?
Posted by: ISLAM SUCKS || 11/23/2003 1:44 Comments || Top||

#2  Because of the oil. If SA were to suddenly stop all shipments to the US, it would cause havoc on the economy. We have to gradually wheen ourselves off of Saudi oil in favor of alternatives.

Now that I think of it, perhaps the Iraq War was partly about oil. Buying oil from a democratic Iraq and leaving the Saudi's out to dry.
Posted by: Charles || 11/23/2003 2:54 Comments || Top||

#3  Is there anything oppressive these guys don't pay for?

Yes. The Saudis have drastically reduced medical services and social services for their population in order to fund Wahabi outreach, Syrian occupation, etc. As a result the external Saudi debt is well above $100 B and climbing.
Posted by: mhw || 11/23/2003 8:10 Comments || Top||

#4  It's a helluva lot simpler than that.

Think tactically: If your ultimate goal is to take down Saudi Arabia and Iran- the main sites of infection of this disease called Islamism- you need to prepare by doing two things first:

1) Secure a source of oil that cannot be shut off by angry Islamic potentates; and

2) Obtain a large, secure land base for our military forces close to the ultimate objective.

Gee, that sure sounds like Iraq to me.

Until we're in a position to deal with S.A. and Iran forcibly, there's no point in tipping our hand; which is why ISLAM SUCKS is not seeing the public criticism of S.A. he's looking for.

No sense telegraphing our punches. Be patient.
Posted by: Dave D. || 11/23/2003 8:28 Comments || Top||

#5  When discussing about Saudi Arabia we have to ever keeping one thing in mind: Saudi Arabia doesn't produce oil, the so-called Saudi oil is produced in the Shia occupied territories. End the illegal and illegitimate occupation of Shia Arabia and Wahabism becomes an obscure brand of islam, without much power to cause trouble.
Posted by: JFM || 11/23/2003 9:44 Comments || Top||

#6  I was unaware that SA funded anything in Lebanon. I thought that was all done by Iran. Hopefully, this story will start to echo around and encourage the House of Saud to unfund the occupation.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 10:15 Comments || Top||

#7  Because of the oil. If SA were to suddenly stop all shipments to the US, it would cause havoc on the economy. We have to gradually wheen ourselves off of Saudi oil in favor of alternatives.

Wouldn't have to be the US. The Saudis could shut it off to any number of nations, such as Japan.
Posted by: Pappy || 11/23/2003 12:13 Comments || Top||

#8  JFM - Can you clarify what you refer to as Shia occupied territories & Shia Arabia?

Unless I misunderstand what you've written, I think you're misinformed. Wahhabism came out of the central zone along with the Saud tribe, but the Sunni's run the whole of the country and outnumber the Shia by a wide margin. This is certainly true in the Eastern Province - where lies the vast majority of the oil produced in SA. Aramco, in Dhahran, lies about 20KM due south of Dammam - shown as Ad Dammam on the map below.

I wrote not so long ago that you can pull the teeth of Wahhabism by controlling the Eastern Province. Refineries and pipelines elsewhere and even the port of Jeddah on the Red Sea have basically no value without the crude.

Pretty easy to see on this Resource Map:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/atlas_middle_east/saudi_arabia_econ.jpg
Posted by: .com (Abu Sabbatical) || 11/23/2003 13:10 Comments || Top||

#9  Yup, he's back!
Posted by: Anonymous || 11/23/2003 14:02 Comments || Top||

#10  My info is that Eastern Arabia was conquered by the Seoud somewhere 1920-1930, it was then predominantly Shia . I don't know if this is still true since persecutions and colonization can have altered the demographic balance in favor of the Sunni (some Sunni could be hidden Shia). My guess is that many inhabitants of South Irak or Koweit are desecendents of Shia who fled the Wahabi occupation. Time to have them demand their "right of return" and their right to have their own state.

The other source of power and money for the Seoud is their control of Mecca and Medina they are also illegitimally occupying.

Of course the goal is to remove the teeth of wahabism and let them spread wahabism with the influence and money they would get as main exporter of camel dung.
Posted by: JFM || 11/23/2003 14:27 Comments || Top||

#11  JFM - Ah - okay, that could be absolutely right. Pre-Saud tribal consolidation the eastern coast certainly could've been Shia - the Iranian coast across the puddle is and was. A Shia "right of return" - now that's a scream! I'd LOVE to hear a Saudi response to that idea! Woot! 8-)

The non-petroleum resources account for diddley-squat. Without the oil, they basically have the world's largest litterbox. I look forward to the day that we finally act in self-defense against this cancerous tumor on the world's ass. Take the Eastern Province and let them return to their Bedu roots. That would be just about the most amazing thing I can imagine. The Saudis are soft and utterly lame - the Bedu wouldn't have much need of "Managers" or "Supervisors", heh. Consider the implications... there would be the total dissolution of OPEC's power - the entire world would have an economic boom if petro prices weren't manipulated. There would even be major fallout in Venezuela, not to mention the other OPEC dictatorships and non-affiliated oil-producing countries. And I'm sure there would be many other ways this would change politics and economies - powershifts all over... these shits have a hand in everything.

Dominoes, anyone?
Posted by: .com (Abu Sabbatical) || 11/23/2003 15:54 Comments || Top||

#12  Since I wasn't clear about it, let me clarify:
I'm not suggesting give the Eastern Province resources to the Shia. Fuck. No.

Just because they aren't Wahhabi Sunnis doesn't mean they have any more sense. Just look across the Gulf to find the OTHER large funding source for asshats.

No, the resources go to the victors, just like it did when House of Saud took it from whomever, Shai, camels, whatever. PC idiots should shield their sensitive eyes. If you consider it, it's apparent that they (PC types) think the world started when they were born. The past is inconvenient, unless it can be used against someone they don't happen to care for... where it led to the comfort and goodies that they enjoy, it is not examined too closely, eh? ;->
Posted by: .com (Abu Sabbatical) || 11/23/2003 16:15 Comments || Top||

#13  .com

I am well aware that the Shia could be as bad as the Seoud, but their power for nuisance would be far lesser: they would have the oil but not the influence conferred by the holy places (in addition to the lesser traction they would get from being Shia between the Sunni majority)

My purpose was to point that there is a third way being doing nothing and direct invasion (who can be impossible for political reasons): forcing the implosion of Arabia: the Arabian Shia get the oil and a few American troops to keep them in line protect them against Wahabis, the Hashemites get the Mekka-Medina cash cow and the Seoud get the camel dung.
Posted by: JFM || 11/23/2003 16:59 Comments || Top||

#14  I'm hoping at least the Shia in Basra are good folks. A lot depends on them.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 18:57 Comments || Top||

#15  Abu TrollSlicer!
Tested by near-continuous engagement in several Arab-Israeli wars, vigorous internal policing, and action in Lebanon

Damn that virgorous internal policing means nerve gas right?
Posted by: Shipman || 11/23/2003 20:01 Comments || Top||

#16  .com, prolly on vacation, methinks.
Posted by: Lucky || 11/23/2003 20:58 Comments || Top||

#17  I think a political seperation between who controls the oil fields and who controls Mecca is in everyone's best interests (except the House of Saud).
Posted by: ruprecht || 11/23/2003 21:17 Comments || Top||


Saudi royals on the list?
Germany's intelligence service chief said on Wednesday there were signs that Islamic militants may be planning an attack on the Saudi royal family, alongside growing threats to foreigners and diplomats in the kingdom. "We have warnings of attacks on diplomatic representatives but also foreigners' residential areas," August Henning, head of the BND intelligence service, said in an interview on German television. "But we are increasingly getting signs from the warnings that the royal family itself is a target. That is certainly a new dimension," he said. Henning said the BND believed that al-Qaeda was playing an important role in the spate of attacks on US troops and other targets in Iraq, because of the professional and deadly manner in which the operations were being carried out. "This manner of proceeding, suggests to us that al-Qaeda is active and is participating in the attacks," he said.
Question is, are the Soddies going to strike back and walk away from their sunk costs, or are they going to try and negotiate their way out of confrontation? I don't think they've decided themselves yet...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 00:06 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  In this case, I can see why some people might root for qaeda to succeed. Nothing would be better than to see these fucks murdered by their own monsters.
Posted by: ISLAM SUCKS || 11/23/2003 1:47 Comments || Top||

#2  I've just read a book by Laurent Murawiec, on the Saudi family; like others on the same subject, it's not great literature; unlike others, it is not a more or less objective analysis, but a violent charge against the royals (basically, the Pentagon report that got him fired from Rand corp., in another form), against its Washington lobby, and the corrupting influence it has on the arab world, the western economy, and islam. Truly frightening. The Saud have been tricking their "allies" since the beginnig, doing global scale razzias (1973 embargo), living in a tribal mindset straight out of the dark ages and spreading it,... and they have so well bought they way into western economical/military/political elites that they are basically untouchable.
Murawiec advocates pretty drastic measures ("de-saudize Saudi Arabia") that would please most people here, but I truly doubt there ever will be enough political will to implement even the slightest one of them.
Posted by: Anonymous || 11/23/2003 5:25 Comments || Top||

#3  No one is untouchable to the patient man.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 10:17 Comments || Top||

#4  Perhaps we are seeing a shift to a more traditional 'revolutionary' strategy.
Posted by: Pappy || 11/23/2003 12:15 Comments || Top||

#5  This is just the fanatically-pro-al'Qaeda wing of the Saudi "royal" family planning to use its terrorist connections in its successional fight with the not-quite-as-pro-al'Qaeda wing of the Saudi "royal" family.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 11/23/2003 14:06 Comments || Top||

#6  And the Bush family's connection with the Saudis is swept under the Turkish carpetrug once again
Posted by: NotMikeMoore || 11/23/2003 23:13 Comments || Top||


Fedayeen target Kuwait
A reliable source said CID men lured an Iraqi infiltrator on the pretext of buying antiques stolen from Iraqi museums, in October this year. "Upon his arrest, securitymen recovered an unidentified chemical substance hidden in the antiques. The substance was sent to Kuwait Institute for Scientific Research (KISR) for analysis and the results indicate the substance to be antimony mercuric oxide - commonly known as "red mercury," he added. A reliable security source said the Iraqi is still under police custody. "The man confessed to have bought the red mercury from a Iraqi businessman to sell in Kuwait. His brother is allegedly being held hostage by his Iraqi associate pending settlement of $300,000 — the price of the red mercury and antiques," he added.
Tough luck for the brother, I guess...
Meanwhile, policemen have arrested another Iraqi infiltrator — who is reported to be a member of Saddam's fidayeen force, reports Al-Watan. The man confessed he was planning terrorist operations in Kuwait. Well-placed sources told the daily remnants of the former Iraqi regime are planning to carry out the attacks — including political assassinations — in Kuwait during December 2003. Two men of the core group of Saddam's fidayeen force — assigned to execute these deadly operations — escaped to Kuwait and have warned the authorities, they added.
And that can be taken as a good sign...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 00:05 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Red Mercury??? Okay isnt that stuff what some conspiracy folks consider a booster for nukes?
Posted by: Val || 11/23/2003 1:38 Comments || Top||

#2  So Sadaam didn't have nukes, but he was trying to find a way to boost the explosion? That only makes sense if he was researching nukes.

Oh wait...
Posted by: Charles || 11/23/2003 2:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Why are they trying to sell precursers in Kuwait?
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 10:21 Comments || Top||

#4  Fulminate of Mercury?

Then BLAMO!

Else a good stain for crafts.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/23/2003 20:03 Comments || Top||


Another Scholar Recants
Sheikh Nasser ibn Hamad Al-Fahd has recanted and withdrawn his controversial fatwas, describing them as “a grave mistake” in an interview broadcast yesterday. Fahd was the second Saudi scholar detained for promoting militancy this year who took to the airwaves to renounce his support for militants and condemn terrorist attacks. Fahd, 35, is one of three scholars arrested in Madinah last May following the Riyadh bombings for issuing fatwas declaring killing security personnel during confrontations “halal” or permissible.
I'd call that a good way to get yourself arrested. 'Specially in Soddy Arabia...
He had also ruled against giving information to security forces about the 19 suspects announced by the Ministry of the Interior a week before the May 12 bombing. The other two were Ali Al-Khudair, who recanted on Saudi TV last Monday, and Ahmad Al-Khaledi. Al-Fahd was first arrested in 1995 following events in Buraidah along with several other religious scholars. He remained in prison for more than three years. Al-Fahd said he requested the interview of his own accord after being “shocked” by the suicide bombing at a Riyadh housing compound this month which killed 18 people, mostly Arabs.
The pliers might have had something to do with it, too. And then they sent the fire extinguishers out for "maintenance"...
He said the attack was a sin and the bombers were not martyrs because they violated Islam by killing both Muslims and non-Muslims who were under the protection of the state, murdering women and children, harming security and property, distorting the image of jihad (holy war) and Islam. “Blowing oneself up in such operations is not martyrdom, it is suicide. How can they kill Muslims, innocent people, and destroy property in the home of Islam? We did not think matters would reach this point ... My message is: Fear God and stop shedding blood. Fear God and repent your mistakes. It is not shameful to admit mistakes.”
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 00:05 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "He said the attack was a sin and the bombers were not martyrs because they violated Islam by killing both Muslims and non-Muslims..."

So if the terrorists would just confine themselves to Christians and Jews the killing would be ok? Barbarians all.

Posted by: SPQR 2755 || 11/23/2003 1:21 Comments || Top||

#2  "shocked!" huh? 12,110, or 220 volts?
Posted by: Frank G || 11/23/2003 8:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Frank, what about 4160?
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 10:22 Comments || Top||

#4  ..."if you lived here, you'd be in hell by now:)"...
Posted by: Hyper || 11/23/2003 10:38 Comments || Top||

#5  You're spot on there SQPR.

Kill the kuffar, no problem, kill a muslim - well, depends on the sect really, but as a general rule, that's a no-no.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 11/23/2003 12:35 Comments || Top||

#6  "shocked!" huh? 12,110, or 220 volts?
Let's try 30 volts at 120amps. Knots the muscles up tight enough to break bones. Works for me.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/23/2003 12:42 Comments || Top||

#7  Damn, one of my old Retrivers just dug up an old Fatwa... not much left.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/23/2003 20:05 Comments || Top||


Britain
Britain steps hunt for al-Qaeda cells
Security services have intensified hunt for two Al-Qaeda cells believed to be readying for "spectacular" terrorist attack in Britain. Up to 10 terrorists have, it is said, mounted surveillance on vulnerable commercial targets like banks and shopping centres.

Warning about the attacks MI5’s Director-General, Eliza Manningham-Buller said that some suspects have already made dummy runs in preparation for possible suicide car bombings.

The MI5 chief has conveyed to MPs and Peers on the intelligence and security committee that Al-Qaeda sleepers have been conducting surveillance.

But these are so well integrated into the Muslim community in Britain that it is very difficult to find them, say intelligence sources. Some of these suspects are said to be British citizens.

The cells are said to be located in Midlands and the north of England.

Reports are that they have investigated the security arrangements at synagogues, Jewish schools and community centres.
Coincidentally, there have been reports that VEVAK was picking out targets in the UK that al-Qaeda would then attack. If that is true it’s yet another indication of the alliance between al-Qaeda and the Black Hats and would indicate that the surveillance is over and they’re getting ready to move into the operations phase.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 11/23/2003 12:37:51 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But these are so well integrated into the Muslim community in Britain that it is very difficult to find them, say intelligence sources. Some of these suspects are said to be British citizens.

In other words, British Muslims are so radical that al'Qaeda loons mix right in.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 11/23/2003 14:07 Comments || Top||

#2  If the Muslim community accepts and protects them then there is no reason to tolerate it
Posted by: JFM || 11/23/2003 14:52 Comments || Top||

#3  In other words, British Muslims are so radical that al'Qaeda loons mix right in.

That's a bit OTT, RC. A bit like saying the entire British Irish community were "radical" because the IRA operated sleeper cells in the UK for decades (and still operates a few comatose ones), occasionally sheltered by Irish sympathisers. There are radical elements of British Muslim soceity, but that term doesn't apply to the majority.
Posted by: Bulldog || 11/23/2003 16:36 Comments || Top||

#4  The term "cells" implies the need for secrecy due to practices that regular folks would not approve of. You never hear radical groups in Pakistan refered to as "cells."
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 19:01 Comments || Top||

#5  I would check the people who were in trafalgar square and the leaders such as "300k from Saddam" Galloway and Tariq Ali. Like the italians raising money for AQ in Iraq, they "probably" think they are doing the right thing. They would probably cheer on such an attack.
Posted by: capt joe || 11/23/2003 22:48 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Australia lists six Hamas Bigs as terrorists
Australia listed six senior leaders of the militant Palestinian Hamas group as terrorists on Friday and froze the assets of five charities that it said help fund the organization's activities. The announcement by Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer follows the same action against exactly the same men and organizations by the United States in August. Downer said Friday he had acted because the men and organizations "are involved in terrorism." The six individuals are Sheik Ahmed Yassin, the leader of Hamas in Gaza; Imad Khalil Al-Alami, a member of the Hamas political bureau in Damascus, Syria; Usama Hamdan, a senior Hamas leader in Lebanon; Khalid Mishaal, head of the Hamas political bureau and executive committee in Damascus; Musa Abu Marzouk, deputy chief of the political bureau in Syria, and Abdel Aziz Rantissi, a Hamas leader described as reporting to Yassin.
Rantissi's also a politburo member. I like Australia more every day...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 00:06 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Rantisi is Ops chief, but he likes to pretend he's "political", as if there's an actual difference. Or maybe there is: you never see the "politicals" goin' boom...
Posted by: mojo || 11/23/2003 20:18 Comments || Top||


Europe
Turkey’s Mosques to Preach Anti-Terror
The Turkish government on Sunday ordered the nation’s mosques to deliver an anti-terrorism message as authorities pieced together evidence to determine who was behind a string of suicide bombings that killed 57 people and wounded hundreds more. The Directorate for Religious Affairs, which controls all mosques in Turkey, said the anti-terrorism sermon should be preached Tuesday, the first day of a three-day Muslim holiday marking the end of Ramadan. "Terrorism, violence and anarchy have nothing to do with Islam," the sermon reads. "Our duty is to love one another, and to live like brothers in unity." Separately, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan suggested the attacks occurred in Turkey because the nation is a democracy with strong ties to the West.
No it’s because the terrorists are unorganized and leaderless due to America’s assault on their infrastructure and now individual groups and cells, that are at best loosely connected, are lashing out irrationally.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 11/23/2003 12:42:15 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Isn't that just f*cking precious. You're two years late, assholes.
Posted by: Anonymous || 11/23/2003 15:57 Comments || Top||

#2  Better late than never.
Posted by: Dishman || 11/23/2003 18:52 Comments || Top||

#3  Turkish government on Sunday ordered the nation’s mosques

Hey, Murat, what's the deal here?
Posted by: Shipman || 11/23/2003 20:11 Comments || Top||

#4  Wouldn't it be nice if the US government ordered the Christian loony right to stop their campaign of hatred against abortion and gay rights?
Posted by: NotMikeMoore || 11/23/2003 23:20 Comments || Top||

#5  Except the Christian loony right has killed, what, 1 doctor in 5 years? Deplorable, yes, but not even close in scale. You must be hysterical to compare the two.
Posted by: LeftEnd || 11/23/2003 23:55 Comments || Top||


Belgian police arrest 35 Muslims
Belgian police made 35 arrests on Saturday after clashing with Moroccan teenagers who smashed car and shop windows in the port city of Antwerp on the first anniversary of the shooting death of a young Arab. As a helicopter hovered overhead, police fought sporadic street battles with groups of teenagers in the immigrant neighbourhood of Borgerhout in the country’s second city, a police spokesman said.
If they spoke Flemish or French they'd be "hoodlums" rather than "Muslims."
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 11:23 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The more the muslim minority misbehaves, the more anti-semitic European countries become. It boggles my mind.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 13:47 Comments || Top||

#2  SH, how true that is. A 9/11 event in Europe, and they would beat up on Israel first, then blame the US.
Posted by: Rafael || 11/23/2003 16:51 Comments || Top||

#3  As usual Rafael, you're fulla shit! Most Europeans I know are dismayed about the influx of third world Muslim asshats into their country. And if you think the US does a better job of policing its borders--talk to anyone in Texas or California and ask them how their culture has been changed--your ignorance is astounding
Posted by: NotMikeMoore || 11/23/2003 23:24 Comments || Top||

#4  Spend some time in Europe then we'll talk.
Posted by: Rafael || 11/23/2003 23:51 Comments || Top||


Turkey arrests far-left militant planning bomb attacks
Turkish police have arrested a suspected member of a far-left extremist group who was awaiting orders to carry out bomb attacks against embassies in the capital Ankara, a media report said Saturday. The man, whose name was not given, was thought to belong to the Revolutionary Peoples Liberation Party Front (DHKP-C), an underground Marxist group with a violent record, the NTV news channel said on its website.
Not a good time to be plotting bomb attacks in Turkey...
A search in his flat revealed preparations to carry out bomb attacks against the embassies of the United States and Germany in Ankara. The organization was also planning attacks against an unnamed political party leader, NTV said. The news came in the wake of two suicide car bomb attacks in Istanbul against Jewish and British targets, killing at least 53 people, which has prompted tightened security around embassies and consulates.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 00:06 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The US has always had plenty of targets in Turkey. We either have hardened everything up or the terrorists are going after our friends and Jewish targets exclusively.
It will be interesting to see how this effects the Turkish economy. They were on a roll, but I know what 9-11 did to our economy and I can't imagine that the attacks help encourage foriegn investment.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 10:30 Comments || Top||


Iraqi resistance behind Istanbul bombings?
The Iraqi resistance rather than al-Qaeda was responsible for the deadly suicide bombings in Turkey that killed 27 people and wounded 450 others, a former deputy Russian defence minister who worked in Iraq said Friday. "Even though Turkish troops did not fight alongside the Americans last spring, Ankara provided considerable aid to US forces fighting the Iraqi army, especially in the north of the country," General Vladislav Achalov was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency. "I therefore believe the terrorist acts in Istanbul are vengeance for Turkey's backing for the United States in the war against Iraq," Achalov, who served as an advisor in Iraq, said.
Except that Qaeda's already taken credit for it and the Great Eastern Raiders Front sez they dunnit. I think General Achalov is indulging in a bit of wishful thinking.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 00:06 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1 

OK, for the record now... precisely which groups have claimed responsibility, and which groups have been blamed by the various governments, for these actions to date?

Posted by: Phil Fraering || 11/23/2003 1:40 Comments || Top||

#2  I don't see what angle the Russian general is playing. Why would it be in Russia's interest or his personal interest for Sadaamites to have become a force in international terrorism?
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 10:33 Comments || Top||

#3  It's the Chewbaca defense!
Posted by: Hyper || 11/23/2003 10:45 Comments || Top||

#4  More 'great game', I'd guess. Russia building on the Turks' anti-war anti-Americanism, message being to distance Turkey from the US. And by the way, we Russians will be happy to help.
Posted by: Infrequenter || 11/23/2003 11:29 Comments || Top||

#5  "Why would it be in Russia's interest or his personal interest for Sadaamites to have become a force in international terrorism?"

The only thing I can think of is that by blaming everything on Iraq, there's less notice being paid on Iran and Syria.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 11/23/2003 18:03 Comments || Top||

#6  Good lord, I'm off to the walk in... this is twice this week I've agreed with Mr. Katsaris.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/23/2003 20:14 Comments || Top||


Deep Laid Plots™ in Istanbul...
There is not doubt that the two attacks that targeted the two Jewish synagogues in Istanbul unsettled the Turkish government and brought fear and surprise upon the Turkish people. But what is more striking is the fact that the Turkish security forces reached a speedy solution to identify the parties responsible for the two attacks in less than 30 hours, especially following the statements voiced by officials as far as the presence of a professional international organization behind the two attacks.
Qaeda 'fessing up did help a bit. So'd the credit claim by the Great Eastern Raiders...
The amount of data, which was suddenly discovered, contributed to this, question marks have come up. The perpetrators did what they could to have their identities discovered after their suicide. They even used their parents' cars in the bombing operations without changing their plates, and made sure to have their passports on them, so they would be found among the remains.
That was bright of them. But it's happened before...
The two attacks, which come at a time when relations between Turkey and Israel are cold, and when those between Ankara and Washington are worse than ever, raise questions as far as the timing of the attacks. It turns to be impossible when we remember that the Turkish Justice and Development Party, which is receiving these strikes, is linked to the Islamic front, even if refused to admit it. Among its executives and leaders, there are some persons who were in the past related to the radicals, or at least supported Jihad's policy in Afghanistan and in Chechnya against the Soviet Union for the past two decades, when the U.S. used to recognize the form of the Jihad. Some were on contact with parties and religious groups and Jihad movements all over the world, why then do 'new strugglers' target 'old strugglers?'.
Sounds like some sort of Deep Laid Plot™, maybe even a Dire Conspiracy™. What do you think?
A large part of the Turkish people is still insisting on searching among the remnants of the two Jewish synagogues and the British Council about another secret factor, other than Al Qaeda, which has an interest in influencing the foreign Turkish policy and turning the justice and development government away from its strategy, especially that terrorism is not strange to Turkey, which established the Kurdish Hezbollah and used it against the Kurdistan Labor Communist party in the eighties, before Hezbollah went out of control and started to collaborate with foreign organizations, obliging the Turkish government to eliminate it after detaining Abdullah Ocalan in 1999. Through this experience, Turkish security forces are aware of the possibility that some international intelligence institutions use some terrorist cells without these cells realizing who is really behind them.
Ahah! Unwitting tools in the hands of... ummm... us? The CIA? The Mossad? That'd be it.
These scenarios might be exaggerated but this is the general environment in Turkey, which realizes that Israel and U.S. cooperation with it in 1999 to arrest Ocalan was accompanied by a sudden interest in Ankara, expressed by the administration of President Bill Clinton. U.S. President himself interfered with the European Union to accept Turkey as a candidate for membership in December 2000, and held a speech in the Turkish parliament confirming that Turkey is a strategic ally for the U.S. Thus, some persons in Turkey believe that a slap must be addressed to Turkey so that it realizes that it should change its policy and that the idea of regional cooperation is useless as long as its neighbors are organizing terrorist attacks against it.
Ahah. So that's why we dunnit, using our unwitting tools to... ummm... kill some Jews and a bunch of Muslim passers-by, and bump off the British consul and... ummm... Sorry. It doesn't make any sense. I think it was Qaeda. You and Murat can think what you want.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 00:06 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  On the teevee yesterday, there was interviews of turkish bystanders at the evening breaking of the fast, and the conspiracy theory seemed relatively popualr (of course, it could be bias from the media themselves); also a clip from a small demonstration earlier, with Blair, Bush & Sharon as blamed as islamists leaders for the blasts (apparently a communist demonstration, with raised fists, though). I wonder what is actually turkish public's opinion on that?
Posted by: Anonymous || 11/23/2003 5:33 Comments || Top||

#2  As for the passports and liscence plates, maybe they were too cheap to buy a video camera to record their martyrdom message. I would think that they wanted actual credit for their actions because they beleived strongly in the righteousness of their actions. Suicide bombers don't have any reason to hide their identities.
I'm sure their parents would have appreciated it if they had gone with the rental option on the car bomb.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 10:40 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Home of Bangladeshi activist torched
Security was tight Saturday in a southern Bangladeshi district after the home of a local leader of the main opposition Awami League was torched injuring six people. Awami League youth front leader Saidur Rahman Swapan and five members of his family were badly burned when attackers locked them into their home and set it ablaze with kerosene in the village of Rajpasha in Jhalakathi district. The family managed to cut a hole in the burning tin-clad house and flee to safety. They were being treated at a hospital in the nearby city of Barisal, 112 kilometers south of the capital Dhaka. “Six people have been arrested so far for their suspected links to the attack,” said a senior police officer in Barisal without identifying the assailants. Residents said the Jhalakathi district was tense Saturday with authorities tightening security.
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Interior minister threatened
Activists of Tehrik-i-Islami Pakistan allegedly wrote threatening messages on the wall outside Federal Interior Minister Syed Faisal Saleh Hayat’s house in Jhang on Friday night. They also wrote messages on the walls outside Mr Hayat’s relatives’ homes. The activists wrote, “Interior minister will face serious repercussions if Allama Sajid Ali Naqvi is not released immediately”.
Yep. That sounds like a threat.
“We are searching for the culprits who wrote threatening messages on the walls of three residences,” said District Police Officer Khadim Hussain Bhatti. Police removed the statements from the wall, he added.
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Five arrested for collecting donations for banned parties
Police arrested five people for collecting donations for banned organisations in Kassowal and Sahiwal on Saturday. A police spokesman said Abu-Omar, Abu Saifullah, Abu Osama and Ikramul Haq and two others of Tehrik-i-Islami Pakistan (TIP) were collecting donations from the public by speaking on a van loudspeaker. Police confiscated their vehicle, receipt book and loudspeaker. Meanwhile, Muhammad Amin was arrested at a mosque in Sahiwal District. “There was not a single office of banned Jamiatul Ansar, Hizb ut-Tahrir and Jamiatul Furqan in southern Punjab. However, police who removed their donation boxes from the shops told shopkeepers not to collect donations for banned organisation or action would be taken against them, said District Police Officer Hamid Mukhtar Gondal. An Election Commission spokesman said Hizb ut-Tahrir, Jamiatul Furqan, Jamiat Al-Ansar, Jaish-e-Muhammad, Lashkar-e-Taiba and Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan were not registered with the Election Commission as political parties able to contest in the general elections. He said Tehrik-e-Jafaria Pakistan was the only one registered with the Election Commission.
I'd guess they'll keep this up for awhile, until Ambassador Nancy's distracted by something else, then quietly let it start up again. That's been the pattern so far...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 11:10 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Jaish activist arrested
Capital police have arrested three members of a gang including the ringleader who was reportedly one of the most wanted activists of the banned religious organisation, Jaish e-Muhamad, police sources said on Saturday. Police made a raid, arrested three of the gang and seized stolen property and illegal weapons from them. Muhammad Aqeel, the leader, was an active member of Jaish-e-Muhammad and wanted in various cases, police sources said.
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Five Pakistanis Freed From Guantanamo
Five Pakistani prisoners arrived home Saturday after being freed by American authorities from the U.S. detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, officials said.
We’re done with these, Perv! All yours!
The men were captured in Afghanistan during the U.S.-led campaign to oust the Taliban in late 2001, and were later shifted to Guantanamo Bay to investigate their suspected links to al-Qaida, an Interior Ministry official told The Associated Press. The official said the men will remain in Pakistani custody for a few days before being allowed to go free. ``We believe that they sang like canaries had no links with any militant groups, but we want to satisfy ourselves that they sang like canaries before allowing them to go to their homes,’’ said the official. The official gave no other details. He said efforts are underway to secure the release of the remaining Pakistani prisoners in Guantanamo Bay.
Soon as we squeeze them dry.
The five men - Hafiz Liaquat Manzoor, Mohammed Ishaq, Talha Mohammed, Majid Mahmood and Ijaz Ahmad — were among nearly 50 Pakistanis caught in Afghanistan while allegedly fighting against U.S.-led coalition forces there.
Allegedly with rifles in their hands.
So far, U.S. authorities have released nearly a dozen Pakistani prisoners from Guantanamo Bay, including a 51-year-old man, Mohammed Sanghir, who has filed a lawsuit against U.S. authorities demanding $10.4 million in compensation for his detention.
I’d love to do his deposition. I’d want LTC Steve with me, he might have some questions for Mo as well.
Sanghir was captured in Afghanistan in 2001. He was freed in November 2002 and claims he was in Afghanistan to teach Islam and was not involved in anti-U.S. activities there.
"I was jes’ showin’ ’em how to hold their holy rifles jes’ so. Ever’one knows you can’t be holy without a rifle!"
Earlier this month, a Pakistani judge issued notices to the Pakistani government and the U.S. State Department demanding they respond to Sanghir’s lawsuit by Dec. 12.
Rats, the lawsuit is in Pakistan. No way I can get to Karachi for the deposition. Maybe Mo will come back to Gitmo?
Posted by: Steve White || 11/23/2003 2:07:25 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Had to make sure the GPS implants in their heads were working OK. Take us to your leader !
Posted by: Anonymous || 11/23/2003 10:16 Comments || Top||

#2  I wonder what the chances are the we bagged an ISS agent in the lot, and if so how the negotiations went on his release.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 10:51 Comments || Top||


Iraq
One soldier killed
One 4th Infantry Division soldier died in an apparent drowning when the vehicle the soldier was driving slid off the road and went into an adjacent canal. Soldiers were in pursuit of a suspicious vehicle, near Balad at approximately 9:15 p.m. on Nov. 21, when the incident occurred. Other people in the vehicle attempted to extricate the soldier but were initially unsuccessful. The soldier was removed from the submerged vehicle a short time later. Attempts made to resuscitate the unresponsive soldier were unsuccessful. The soldier’s name is being withheld pending family notification. The incident is under investigation.
Posted by: Chuck || 11/23/2003 1:21:15 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Humvee's make lousy chase cars.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 14:00 Comments || Top||


TASK FORCE “ALL-AMERICAN” OPERATIONS CONTINUE
AR RAMADI, Iraq – The 82nd Airborne Division, also known as Task Force “All American,” conducted missions over the past 24 hours aimed at rebuilding Iraq and defeating former regime loyalists, criminals, and terrorists in order to help establish a free and independent nation.

The 82nd Airborne Division conducted 28 offensive operations, including 26 raids, and 160 patrols, including 14 joint patrols with the Iraqi Border Guard and Iraqi police. During these operations, there were 60 enemy personnel captured.

Soldiers from the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment continued Operation Rifles Blitz. During the last 24 hours, 31 enemy personnel have been captured and various small arms weapons have been confiscated. Yesterday’s raids netted eight individuals who were targeted for specific crimes against the coalition and the Iraqi people. The Iraqi police participated in all of the individual missions.

This afternoon, in 3rd Brigade’s area of operation, a demonstration was held near Mahmudiyah consisting of approximately 200 personnel. The gathering was non-violent and the people marched along Highway 8 from north to south into the city. The crowd carried anti-US and anti-Israeli banners, but was dispersed without incident by local police.

Civil affairs team attended the Fallujah City Council meeting to verify that the Fallujah mayor had resigned. The newly formed Fallujah Provisional Authority appointed the former city manager mayor. The FPA is composed of 27 members from local tribes, professionals, and Imams and will replace the current sheik council in the city.

Civil affairs teams also completed assessments on three local schools in Ar Ramadi and identified the schools’ needs for renovation. These school repairs will have a positive effect on over 1000 students per year. Civil affairs soldiers established a Civil Military Operations Center in support of Operations Rifles Blitz and have begun to make compensation payments as well as reward payments.

Posted by: Chuck || 11/23/2003 1:18:45 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If you kill all the enemy combattants, does that qualify as a hunda?
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 14:03 Comments || Top||

#2  60 enemy personnel captured

Thanks.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/23/2003 20:35 Comments || Top||


IRAQIS PREVENT IED ATTACK
ISKANDARIYAH, Iraq – Iraqi civilians warned personnel from the Iraqi Railroad of an improvised explosive device placed on the tracks near Iskandariyah early this morning. The Iraqis flagged down the train to show them exactly where it was located. The IED was made from three 155mm artillery rounds, all linked together. An explosive ordnance disposal team, attached to the 82nd Airborne Division, arrived at the scene and disarmed the IED. The rail line reopened at approximately 1:00 p.m.
Posted by: Chuck || 11/23/2003 1:14:50 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is good news. Iraqis seem to be starting to come forward in greater numbers to make their voices heard and help end this wave of terrorism. I think a large part of the problem is that for decades they spent their lives to keep their heads below the radar and now we're asking them to come forward and be proactive. It will take a generation to heal the damage that Saddam has done to the Iraqi psyche.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 11/23/2003 13:21 Comments || Top||


They desecrated our soldiers bodies.
Three U.S. Troops Killed in Iraq
9 minutes ago

By MARIAM FAM, Associated Press Writer

MOSUL, Iraq - Gunmen killed two American soldiers driving through this northern Iraqi city Sunday, and then a crowd swarmed the scene, looting the soldiers’ vehicle and pummeling their bodies, witnesses said. Another soldier was killed in a roadside bombing north of Baghdad.

Elsewhere, three American civilian contractors were wounded in an explosion in the northern oil center of Kirkuk. First reports said the blast was from a mortar, but U.S. Lt. Col. Matt Croke said officials later concluded it was from a bomb.

The 101st Airborne Division said its soldiers in Mosul were shot while driving between U.S. garrisons. Several witnesses also said the soldiers were shot during the attack in the Ras al-Jadda district, though earlier reports by witnesses said assailants slit the soldiers’ throats.

Bahaa Jassim, a teenager, said the soldiers’ vehicle crashed into a wall after the shooting. Several dozen passers-by then descended on the wreckage, looting the car of weapons and the soldiers’ backpacks.

After the soldiers’ bodies fell into the street, the crowd pummeled them with concrete blocks, Jassim said.
I’m so pissed right now I don’t even have the words. We need to find these people and kill them in public. We need to react to this so harshly that when scum like those who desecrated our soldiers lifeless bodies see another dead US soldier, they run in the other direction.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 11/23/2003 12:29:12 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Btw, I started a blog a few days ago. If you feel like it, check it out and let me know what you think. You can click on the website link by my name to get there.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 11/23/2003 12:34 Comments || Top||

#2  The Arab world apparently WANTS to be exterminated.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 11/23/2003 14:24 Comments || Top||

#3  I am highly skeptical of any AP or Reuters report that gives the impression of extreme hatred and opposition among ordinary Iraqis.
Note that the report of the bodies being pummelled with blocks comes from a single teenage witness. Al Reuters was more specific, clairvoyantly declaring that the mob was motivated by anger over recent US raids. This was fallaciously based on an Iraqi fireman's statement that the insurgents' anger over the raids was the reason for the ambush, which is probably true but not the same thing at all. The fireman said nothing about the actions or motives of the bystanders. It could also be that the "bystanders" were not bystanders at all, but the insurgents themselves. It is possible that the presence of the armed insurgent influenced the crowd's behavior even if this is not the case.
Conclusion: a barbarous but relatively straightforward episode of looting is spun to serve as an example of popular rage against the American occupation.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 11/23/2003 14:44 Comments || Top||

#4  We should summarily shoot all captured insurgents. We should shoot anyone who helps them. When are we going to learn that the object of war is to defeat/destroy the enemy, not to try to make him like us? If we refuse to win we should not be there.
Posted by: SPQR 2755 || 11/23/2003 18:39 Comments || Top||

#5  Tell me again why Col. West is facing court-martial?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 11/23/2003 20:26 Comments || Top||


12 Iraqis Killed in Car Bombings at Police Stations
Followup to yesterday's article...
Attackers struck two police stations with back-to-back car bombings Saturday, killing themselves and at least 12 other Iraqis. The suicide bombers struck two police stations northeast of Baghdad within 30 minutes. In the market town of Khan Bani Saad, a Chevrolet Caprice sped through a guard’s gunfire Saturday morning and exploded at the station gate, police said.
Well okay, a Caprice is a tough car to stop. Particularly the taxi cab version.
Capt. Ryan McCormick of the 4th Infantry Division said 10 people were killed: six policemen, three civilians and the driver. Iraqi police said one of the dead was a 5-year-old girl. Another 10 people were wounded, McCormick said.
This despite the condemnation of Human Rights Watch. Wonder if any of the London demonstrators will take notice?
Iraqi police Sgt. Aqil Suheil, who was wounded in the legs in the attack, said he was washing his car when he saw the bomber speed into the station. ``I heard a loud explosion. I found myself under the car,’’ he said. ``I got out quickly and ran toward the street and then lost consciousness.’’
Concussion? Or a war story? Usually, when you're out — he found himself under the car — you don't get up and run, then keel over again. Or concussion followed by hypovolemia? That'd explain it, I guess...
In Baquba, 12 miles to the northeast, a white SUV approached the gate to a police station at normal speed but ignored orders to stop and then blew up at the checkpoint. Three policemen and the driver were killed, and one policeman was missing, Lt. Wisam Ahmed said. At least 10 civilians were hurt. A coalition official said five policemen were killed and 15 were wounded in the attack. ``It is clear that the terrorists have targeted Iraqis, the very Iraqis who are trying to improve the security in Iraq and the lives of ordinary Iraqis,’’ coalition spokesman Charles Heatly said.
But Ted Rall thinks that these "freedom fighters" are fighting on behalf of ordinary Iraqis. And we all know Ted Rall couldn’t be wrong!
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#1  December 10 - anti-terrorist march in Iraq.

Hope for a bit turnout.
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 11/23/2003 3:11 Comments || Top||

#2  big?
Posted by: Frank G || 11/23/2003 8:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Concussion? Or a war story? Usually, when you're out — he found himself under the car — you don't get up and run, then keel over again. Or concussion followed by hypovolemia? That'd explain it, I guess...

Storytelling is quite an art throughout the ME, but there is always some truth in the story.

I think that is part of why Jessica Lynch wasn't very grateful to the Iraqi lawyer who tipped off the US military to her where-abouts. She didn't recognize the reality under his embellishments. It's a cultural disconnect. In reality he did save her just not in the Sinbad like manner of his story.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 11:06 Comments || Top||

#4  I have a suggestion for the folks in Iraq, especially the police:

1. Build a single line of approach to the police station (one vehicle wide), cordoned off by those big concrete barricades we find all over everywhere in the US.

2. Make sure there are a pair of those barricades at the very entrance, making the vehicle have to turn into a "U" to enter.

3. Park a 105 howitzer in the junction between the two barricades, fully primed and ready to fire, with an inert round.

4. The next time a car comes screaming toward the gate, fire the round. No explosion will be necessary (make sure the area in front of the howitzer is clear for at least ten or twelve blocks).

5. Use as needed (once would be enough for sane folks. Can't say how many would be needed for Islamofascists).
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/23/2003 18:42 Comments || Top||

#5  OP, sounds like an industrial strength cattle slaughter house.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 19:33 Comments || Top||


Rockets fired at Iraq oil company, three Iraqis wounded
Three Iraqis were wounded when rockets were fired at a heavily protected building belonging to the state-owned Northern Oil Company (NOC) in Kirkuk. "At dinner time two rockets hit the NOC cultural and social club, which the Americans and KBR employees use as a canteen," police officer Salam Jalal said. Kellogg Brown Root (KBR) is a subsidiary of US oil services giant Halliburton, which has netted a controversial US government contract to help rebuild Iraq's shattered oil industry. Halliburton was run by US Vice President Dick Cheney from 1995 to 2000.
Which has nothing to do with the rockets.
The NOC club is situated within a zone of the northern Iraqi oil city that is heavily protected by an Iraqi security service trained by a South African private company.
Did Cheney used to run that, too?
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#1  Was the launcher pulled by another vehicle obtained from Rent-A-Donkey, the ME subsidary of U-Haul?
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 11:08 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
JI leaders’ sons training for attacks
Yet another example of terrorism being a family affair that we’ve seen again, and again, and again ...
THE next generation of Jemaah Islamiah (JI) terrorists is being groomed in training camps in the region and beyond, planning more Bali-style attacks, warned Singapore’s Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng. He told the first Asia-Pacific homeland security conference in Hawaii on Thursday that a JI cell broken up recently in Pakistan had included the sons of JI members in Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore.
We knew that...
Members of this cell were being groomed to be the network’s next generation of leaders. Apart from religious studies, they were taught military and terrorist skills. They had studied in madrasahs in Malaysia and the Philippines before being sent to Pakistan. The cell was originally led by Indonesian Islamic cleric Abu Bakar Bashir’ss on and, more recently, by the brother of Hambali, the alleged JI operations chief. JI soldiers are also being groomed in JI-controlled religious schools or madrasahs in Indonesia, Mr Wong said in his speech. The largest was run by Bashir in Ngruki, Central Java, he told 650 Asia-Pacific government officials, diplomats, military chiefs and business leaders attending the Asia-Pacific Homeland Security Summit and Exposition to discuss global anti-terrorism strategies. ’So even as the JI organisation is under keen pressure from the security actions from governments in the region, it is already regenerating itself both at the leadership as well as the working or operational level.’ The terror group, he added, had only been ’disrupted’ and was ’by no means eliminated’.

He pointed to other signs that the JI remained a threat:
* Bashir has reportedly announced that the Muslim holy month of Ramadan did not mean a hiatus for terrorism in Indonesia. ’Jihad is justified by religion, is good’ and ’self-defence’ against infidel oppressors of Islam is allowed, he reportedly said.
Bashir seems to still be in business, just working from his prison cell.
* JI maintains links with Al-Qaeda, which continues to be its inspiration.

* The defiance and fanaticism of Bali bombers Amrozi, Imam Samudra and Ali Ghufron show how undeterred JI is.
Warning of more attacks, he added: ’Our intelligence assessment is that JI elements on the run, including its master bomb-maker Azahari Husin, are likely to plan more suicide attacks along the lines of Bali and the recent Marriott Hotel bombing in Jakarta.’
I think JI in Indonesia is harder hit than the Indons are letting on. My impression is that it had a very small core, with a wider pool of cannon fodder. I suspect it's being regenerated by the Malaysian branch. The Singapore branch also appears to be pretty thoroughly clobbered, since they got it early. The Philippines branch seems to still be folded into MILF, which represents a danger...
To deal effectively with the terrorist threat, a multi-pronged effort is needed. Nations cannot relent in intelligence gathering efforts, investigation and disruption of financial and operational networks, he said. Leaders must set up common security and prepare their citizens for living with a bomb threat and coping with the consequences of attacks. Regional terrorist training bases, especially those of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front in Mindanao, must be dismantled, he said.
That's what I said...
Other speakers on Thursday included US Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, who highlighted the need for global cooperation, and former Central Intelligence Agency director James Woolsey, who emphasised that the anti-terrorism war would be a long one.
Both of which are true. The global cooperation's the hard part. The danger with a long war is attrition and public attention span. I've bitched about that elsewhere.
Muslim religious leaders in Singapore expressed relief that only family members of JI members were involved in the Pakistan arrest, and not other young people with no prior JI connections. This showed that the series of strict anti-terrorist measures Singapore had implemented was working, they said yesterday.
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Indonesia replaces military commander in Aceh
The Government military chief of Indonesia's insurgency-hit Aceh province has been replaced, after leading a huge operation that has so far failed to capture any senior rebels. Major General Bambang Darmono transferred his post to Brigadier General George Toisutta in a ceremony led by Indonesian armed forces chief Endriartono Sutarto in North Aceh town of Lhokesumawe, the military said. Mr Darmono, who will now become Mr Sutarto's assistant, told reporters after the ceremony that he was disappointed by his failure to seize any key figures in the rebel Free Aceh Movement (GAM) since arriving in the province on April 19. "If you ask me what one wish that I have not yet achieved, that would be the arrest of GAM leaders," he was quoted by state Antara news agency as saying.
Ahhh... Failure for boths sides. Life couldn't be better.
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Gunshots fired in Indonesia's restive Poso district
Tensions have risen after shooting was heard over the past two nights in the religiously divided Poso district of Indonesia's Central Sulawesi. Residents in the villages of Matako and Lage in Poso reported they heard gunshots on Thursday and Friday nights, said district deputy police chief Rudi Trenggono. "There were no casualties. We suspect that the gunmen, whom we are still after, were only trying to put fear into people as the Eid-al-Fitr holiday approaches," he told AFP. Police said Poso is safe but "people are a bit tense" by the shootings, he said, adding that a security force of about 3,000 men is on alert.
It could be they're tense because of the desire of Islamists, local and imported, to kill them.
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Terror Networks
Ready to strike any time, anywhere
If anything is a signature of al-Qaida, it is the staging of simultaneous attacks. From the September 2001 "spectacular" which targeted both towers of the World Trade Centre in New York as well as the Pentagon in Washington, to the abortive attempt a year ago to hit Israeli tourists in the air above Kenya at the same time as others were dying on the ground, the movement created by Osama bin Laden has sought to sow confusion and fear through the use of double strikes.
I guess it's a signature of a sort. Casablanca had five explosions within 30 minutes. Djerba only seems to have had the one. The Pak attacks were a hodge-podge, mostly single booms like the Sheraton or the American consulate. So there's a pattern, but it's not unbreakable...
Istanbul added a terrifying new twist to its modus operandi: in the midst of devastation and distress, al-Qaida, through its Turkish allies, returned within the space of a week to stage a second pair of attacks. Thursday’s suicide bombings of the British consulate and the local branch of the British-based bank HSBC were not only all the more unexpected for coming just five days after the previous Saturday’s bombs at two synagogues in the same city, they were timed with chilling precision to coincide with the high point of President George Bush’s state visit to Britain. They sent a powerful message to three countries at once: al-Qa’ida is still alive and still venomous.
Actually, if I was bin Laden or Dr. Fu Manchu or Professor Moriarty, I'd use that tactic regularly. I was very surprised when there wasn't a followup to the WTC attacks within days, and then another followup within days of that. The devastation would have been magnified and the sense of vulnerability amplified. My feeling is that the anthrax letters were expected to be much more effective than they were at spreading the disease. Since then, I don't think they have the capability to mount successive waves of attacks. Even when they tried it in Pakland last year, it ended up with al-Aalmi getting wiped out.
That is one of the few clear statements one can make about the "war on terrorism". "Unlike wars against a conventional enemy, al-Qa’ida has no territory to occupy, no army to surrender and no flags or statues to tear down," Kevin Rosser, a Middle East analyst for Control Risks, writes in the consultancy’s risk assessment for 2004. "It is a nebulous entity, with operatives and sympathisers scattered in as many as 60 different countries."
The model is much more SPECTRE and Dr. Fu Manchu than it is anything outside of fictional experience. Dealing with it requires a lot of intel, much of which at the tactical level can only come from hoovering millions of e-mails and keywording them. That'll drive civil libertarians nuts, but I really don't see an alternative. Operations agains the Bad Guys will be police missions, with occasional military backup, so we should be putting together some sort of international SWAT team. And for the extrajudicial moments, we really do need a few kill squads. If I was doing strategy for whoever's running this, I think I'd also be poring over old records of the Catholic church — which had quite a bit of success at rooting out secret societies, albeit using painful methods.
Terrorism experts disagree on whether the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan, which ousted the Taliban regime and scattered the al-Qaida leadership and its followers, has decapitated the movement. Some argue that while Mr bin Laden and his chief lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri, remain at large, they will continue to have an influence, though there is no dispute that the US and its allies have struck some serious blows at the network. In particular, the capture in Pakistan last March of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, al-Qaida’s top operational planner, removed a crucial element of co-ordination.
Likewise Abu Zubaydah, Hambali, and the other, lower-level captures and kills.
"In October 2001 al-Qa’ida’s inner core numbered about 4,000," said Rohan Gunaratna of the Institute of Defence and Strategic Studies in Singapore and the author of Inside al-Qaida: Global Network of Terror. "Today their strength is about 1,000, but that has not removed their ability to strike. They compensate for their comparative lack of operational capability by working with the groups they armed, trained and financed in the past, especially in Afghanistan. Al-Qaida has been weakened, but it has not been operationally defeated."
That's why the war's not over, isn't it?
Since September 2001 al-Qa’ida has not struck successfully in the West, where it is actively hunted, public vigilance is high and there is unprecedented co-operation among intelligence and police agencies. But Dr Gunaratna said: "Though the network’s capacity to attack in Western Europe and the US has diminished, it has not lost its interest in doing so. Any complacency will be punished."
The complacency is also coming. Watching the news this morning, Iraq was a sidelight. The public's much more interested in Michael Jackson. Bush isn't keeping the WoT in the public eye, and the Dems are diluting the awareness with the "Bush lied" non-issues.
In the meantime al-Qaida has reverted to what some call "franchise terrorism": using regional partnerships to hit at Western interests in the "global south" from where it draws its recruits. This is where it began in 1998, when it attacked the US embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam. And as American targets abroad are better protected, it is switching its attention to Washington’s close allies, with considerable success. It has killed German tourists in Tunisia, French naval technicians in Karachi, Australians in Bali — and Britons in Istanbul. When diplomatic, military and government institutions become more difficult to attack, even in the less stable parts of the world, al-Qaida can take its pick of softer — mainly commercial — targets which cannot all be protected. The rhetoric of a "war against terror" creates expectations that sooner or later it will end in victory, but it is impossible to foresee an end to a campaign against an adversary which has no negotiable demands, just a utopian vision of a medieval form of Islam ruling the world. "In many respects al-Qaida’s attacks are an end in themselves," said Josh Mandel, another Control Risks analyst.
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#1  "Unlike wars against a conventional enemy, al-Qa’ida has no territory to occupy, no army to surrender and no flags or statues to tear down," Kevin Rosser, a Middle East analyst for Control Risks, writes in the consultancy’s risk assessment for 2004. "It is a nebulous entity, with operatives and sympathisers scattered in as many as 60 different countries."

So, Al Qaeda does this to be on the Evening News?

The analysis is fatuous at its base. Of course there are resources to be had, countries to conquer and statues to take down. Just because they are not a conventional enemy in no way means they do not have conventional goals, at their base: Power and wealth masked by quoting the passages of the Koran and dipped in innocents' blood.

The rhetoric of a "war against terror" creates expectations that sooner or later it will end in victory, but it is impossible to foresee an end to a campaign against an adversary which has no negotiable demands, just a utopian vision of a medieval form of Islam ruling the world. "In many respects al-Qa’ida’s attacks are an end in themselves," said Josh Mandel, another Control Risks analyst.

They must be paying this guy off in rock cocaine. The war on terror is not rhetoric. Were Clinton still in power there is not doubt you could consider it rhetoric, but at this moment in history the war on terror is anything but rhetoric.

An opponent with no negotiable demands is little more than a target. What was that about rhetoric, again?

A terrorist with negotiable demands does not exist, nor should they.

The scare quotes around the term war on terror is a cute touch but it doesn't make this analysis any more congent for having used them.

In my view the war on terror is imminently winnable, especially now that Al Qaeda has chosen the eventually disasterous strategy of shitting in thier pool.

I would say the opposite of what this writer says. The attacks in Istanbul are a sea change in Al Qaeda tactics and operations. Western interests are hardened because the United States has the resolve to take Al Qaeda pussies head on. My conclusion is that war on terror has turned the tables on Al Qaeda.
Posted by: badanov || 11/23/2003 8:49 Comments || Top||

#2  Good one Boris. Good post too. This is a pick your target kind of war. Some targets have borders others don't. Our tactics must, at times, mimic those of Islamic murderers. Looks like SA is starting to come to terms with what it is they like and don't like about AQ. Whats troubling is the Bipolarness regarding Iran. It makes me dizzy. Their willingness to support mass murder is strange. Car bombs, Iranian criuse missles.
Posted by: Lucky || 11/23/2003 13:13 Comments || Top||


Intel analysts see al-Qaeda paradox
The recent surge in terrorist strikes on "soft targets" like consulates, banks and synagogues in places like Turkey and Saudi Arabia is worrying, but paradoxically reflects progress by the United States and Europe in disrupting Al Qaeda, especially its leadership structure, American and European intelligence officials said Friday.
It means that they’re getting desperate.
"We continue to disrupt Al Qaeda’s activities and capture more of their leaders, but the attacks are escalating," a senior counterterrorism official in Europe said. "This is a very bad sign. There are fewer leaders but more followers."
And most of those leaders appear to be living in Iran ...
The officials said they regard Al Qaeda as less capable than before of striking at American embassies, military targets and landmarks that were the hallmarks of its campaign before the Sept. 11 attacks. But the terrorist threat has evolved, they said, into a much broader, more diffuse phenomenon than before, with a new strategy of attacks by loosely affiliated groups against highly vulnerable targets. The shift to softer targets does not make Al Qaeda and its followers any less dangerous, the officials cautioned. They said there is deep concern here and in Europe that the United States and its allies are facing more — not fewer — terrorist foes than before. The killing and capturing of Al Qaeda leaders is failing, they said, to keep pace with the number of angry young Muslim men and women willing to participate in suicide attacks. "It’s inevitable that when you step on the anthill, there are going to be plenty of ants coming out the side," a senior American official said.
I prefer to think of it as an example of "pay me now or pay me later," with interest. We didn't step on the anthill in 1995, so stepping on it now gives us more ants to swarm. Waiting ten years would have given us even more. Never doing it at all would have ultimately allowed the ants to take over the world.
In a classified warning to law enforcement agencies late Thursday, the United States reiterated its concern about Al Qaeda’s "continued desire to plot or plan terrorist attacks with an emphasis on U.S. interests abroad," federal officials said. The State Department issued a new global terror warning Friday, saying that it saw "increasing indications" that Al Qaeda is planning to strike American interests abroad. It also said that it could not rule out another Qaeda attack within the United States, one "more devastating" than the Sept. 11 attacks.
Expect it. If they can manage to logistics, they'll do it. That's a feature of fighting an enemy that doesn't worry about "getting away" with an attack. It's also a bug. Ask any of the Japanese troops who fought to the last man 50 years ago. Heroic, yes. Militarily effective, no. They weren't available to counterattack in another place at another time, were they?
Intelligence and counterterrorism officials in Europe said Friday that several recent attacks, in Istanbul and Jakarta, were engineered by groups affiliated with Al Qaeda, not by Al Qaeda itself.
There isn't a difference.
Several officials said this suggests that Al Qaeda might no longer have the capacity to organize attacks and has instead become an inspiration to new and existing groups with similar goals and ideology.
They have the capacity to organize them using other groups' cannon fodder...
"Al Qaeda, as such, is too busy trying to survive right now," said a senior intelligence official based in Europe. "Al Qaeda is more or less brain dead. I don’t think they are extremely efficient at planning and coordinating new attacks."
I think Ayman, Saad and Saif are the resource managers, two out of three in Iran, and that Zarqawi's the operations guy. Zarqawi's got lots of contacts throughout the Middle East and Europe, so we're seeing his flavor of attack. Saad and, I guess, Saif have ties within Soddy Arabia, with the clerics allied with al-Hawali and crew, and we're seeing them imitate Zarqawi's techniques.
Despite that cause for optimism, the intelligence officials said they are troubled by evidence suggesting that more young militant men are becoming terrorists than ever before. The men are joining groups inspired by the occupation of Iraq and the exhortations to fight by Osama bin Laden, who is seen as a hero to many disaffected Muslims. "These people have found a new motivation with the aggression of the United States against the brethren in an Arab country," one official said. "If you follow what is being said on the Web sites and by other groups with similar goals to Al Qaeda, they are all trying to ride the wave and trying to raise new recruits through this motivation. And it’s working."
At the moment, it's Qool to be Qaeda in the Islamist world...
In a private memorandum to associates last month, in which he warned of a "long, hard slog" ahead in the war on terrorism, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld raised similar concerns. "Are we capturing, killing or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrasas and the radical clerics are recruiting, training and deploying against us?"
Probably not, at the moment. We haven't yet managed to set up the certainty of failure in their perception. It's something we should be harping on: Qaeda attacked the U.S. at the WTC and the Pentagon; as a result, they lost Afghanistan and a couple thousand of their best, and their protectors lost power. Jemaah Islamiyah boomed a nightclub in Bali; as a result, they lost most of their command structure and a good bit of cannon fodder. Salafi Jihad boomed Casablanca; as a result, the Moroccans are cleaning them out. If the report the other day that GAI is down to 60 people is true, we can add them to the list, especially if the Algerians manage to bump off a few more. These are things we should be emphasizing, just as they're emphasizing the continuing carnage in Kashmir, Paleostine, and Chechnya, where things are way out of hand for the good guys.
Islamic Great Eastern Raiders-Front, also known as IBDA-C, is the Turkish terrorist organization that claimed responsibility for Thursday’s attacks against the British Consulate and HSBC bank in Istanbul. The group, founded in the mid-70’s, is a violent opponent of Turkey’s secular government and its ties to the European Union and the West. Several senior counterterrorism officials in Europe, however, said that they are uncertain that the group has strong ties to Al Qaeda. One intelligence chief said that Al Qaeda does not usually time its attacks to coincide with political events, as the suicide bombers on Thursday seemed to do in striking British targets during President Bush’s state visit to Britain.
Maybe they’re changing tactics, that’s what you do in a war ...
But a senior counterterrorism official took exception to that assessment, saying that the coordinated nature of the suicide bombings, occurring within five minutes and a few miles of each other in Istanbul on Thursday, was the hallmark of an Qaeda terrorist operation.
The fact that the controllers of the first boom were the boomers of the second also implies the "Great Eastern Raiders" don't have a lot of willing manpower to work with. Controllers don't normally explode.
Senior counterterrorism officials in Europe and the Middle East have grown increasingly concerned that smaller, harder-to-detect groups with loose ties to Al Qaeda, or even independent of it, have struck soft targets all over Europe. The trend was first seen in the early months of 2002, with attacks by local groups with loose Al Qaeda affiliations in Pakistan and Tunisia. The authorities also broke up attacks planned against United States military and diplomatic targets in Bosnia, Italy and Morocco.
The little groups have been there all along. Takfiri have been bumping people off because of the color of their turbans since before Binny declared war. The groups are an outgrowth of wahhabism and its emphasis on jihad, rather than al-Qaeda. The one sows, the other reaps.
Several officials have insisted that they are much more concerned with new terrorist groups in North Africa and Western Europe than with the leadership of Al Qaeda. The groups are actively recruiting young men, who were not necessarily trained in Qaeda camps in Afghanistan, the officials said.
That would be the GIA and the GSPC, though the latter has reportedly merged with al-Qaeda and even pledged allegiance to it so take your pick ...
"Al Qaeda is not my main headache," a senior official said. "The spontaneous groups that are sprouting up from the northern African community based in Europe, and going down the path of jihad, are what I’m most worried about. They are inspired by bin Laden, but this is not Al Qaeda. They are not there yet — they are not necessarily even ready to launch attacks — but these groups are raising the next generation of terrorists."
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#1  We have taken out a bunch of the qaeda terrorists, but the beast will only re-grow its arms, unless we slaughter it at the head in Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: ISLAM SUCKS || 11/23/2003 1:34 Comments || Top||

#2  Here we go again: angry Muslims. The truth is that they are angry because they are teached they deserve to be the overlords of the world allowed to kill, enslave and rape the untermensch kaffirs like they do in Sudan. Instead they see is the insignificance of the Muslim countries, thus the anger. But the answer to terrorism is destroy this teaching who is financed by teh wahabis of Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: JFM || 11/23/2003 3:40 Comments || Top||

#3  How you know that this is propaganda
The Tell:
The men are joining groups inspired by the occupation of Iraq

And.... another bogus statement that anyone who knows anything about leadership recognizes as untrue:
"There are fewer leaders but more followers."

The greatest lie contain a truth. The truth in this article is the opening line:
The recent surge in terrorist strikes on "soft targets" like consulates, banks and synagogues in places like Turkey and Saudi Arabia is worrying, but paradoxically reflects progress by the United States and Europe in disrupting Al Qaeda, especially its leadership structure Ah..true, true.

Oh..but wait...

THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING!

Why? "The killing and capturing of Al Qaeda leaders is failing... to keep pace with the number of angry young Muslim men and women willing to participate in suicide attacks. "

So, I guess we should all just pack up our bags and go home since the more sucessful we are wiping out AQ, the worse off we will be in the long run. Right?
Posted by: B || 11/23/2003 6:52 Comments || Top||

#4  I still think that the Istanbul attacks were coordinated with the attack on Talibani's house to make a point. Both happened while? Talibani was in Turkey to talk about economic alliances between Iraq and Turkey. If Short or the British Consulate were facilitating those talks then I think AQ went out of their way to intimidate anyone even thinking of getting these two countries to form a sucessful democratic block in the ME
Posted by: B || 11/23/2003 14:36 Comments || Top||

#5  Nice one B. So follow the money and you have what? Iraqi oil/Turkey cooperatiion means center of power in that camp, money wise. Which would lead me to the AQ/SA connection. Or Iran as they want that slice of the pie and the center of power moves there.

Turkey, the fly in the ointment, must really bug both those camps. It would be to Irans favor to keep Kurdish/Turkey hostile to one another. And AQ/SA and their cousin Syria would still want to control the ME oil flow.
Posted by: Lucky || 11/23/2003 19:40 Comments || Top||

#6  Maybe we should just kill all first-born sons?


Nah - too Jewish...
Posted by: mojo || 11/23/2003 20:35 Comments || Top||

#7  killing first born sons?

no, too godlike. They jews did not do the act, god did. Keep your bible straight.
Posted by: capt joe || 11/23/2003 22:52 Comments || Top||


The new ideologues of al-Qaeda
EFL
The Salafist-Jihadist groups of Qaidat al-Jihad and its affiliated groups, who adhere to and practice the worldview of global Jihad, have been ideologically developed by doctrines derived from a combination between the Egyptian Jihad, Saudi neo-Tawhid, and the globalization of Jihad, espoused by the Palestinian Dr. Abdallah Azzam in Afghanistan. Following the death of Azzam in November 1989, and the end of the anti-Soviet campaign of Jihad in Afghanistan, a younger generation of ideologues took its place. This new generation took over in two waves. First, alongside the rise of the Taliban and the Islamist conflicts in the Balkans in the first half of the 1990s; later on, alongside the organized terrorism of Qaidat al-Jihad since the mid-1990s. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has contributed to global Jihad not only through the Palestinian Abdallah Azzam, but also through two of his most important Palestinian successors – Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi in Jordan, and Omar Abu Qatadah in London. An important additional development to note here was the gradual drying of the Jihadist ideological sources in Egypt. Sayyed Qutb, Sheikh Omar Abd al-Rahman, or Abd al-Qader Abd al-Aziz, are mentioned from time to time. Yet, it seems that only Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, Bin Laden’s deputy, kept his place in the first row of these ideologues, despite his lack of an official Islamic education. No younger or new generation of Egyptian Islamist ideologues or scholars, exists that could influence or contribute to the present developments of Global Jihad.

This reality left the door open for a large group of younger Saudi Islamists eager to assume an increasingly growing important role in developing the present and future trend of Salafist Jihad. Many of them were students and disciples of the older groups of Wahhabi clerics and scholars, who could not come to terms with the American presence on Saudi soil. In recent years they radicalized their positions and began backing up the positions of Qaidat al-Jihad, including political violence against the United States, Western culture, and in recent years the Saudi royal regime, while providing Islamic legitimacy for these actions. The severe conflict between the younger generation of the Saudi Islamist opposition and the Saudi clerics of the Islamic Wahhabi establishment, which developed alongside the rise of Qaidat al-Jihad, turned into an open one following the death in 1999 of Sheikh Abd al-Aziz Ibn Baz. For many years Sheikh Ibn Baz, who managed to block the rise of the rivalry into the open, had been respected by various groups within the Wahhabi movement. The battle is to some extent fought on the Internet, at least on the part of the opposition and has also produced books and articles through which the opposition is attempting to sharpen its ideological weapons and tactics. An interesting large book was recently circulated on the Internet, primarily through one of the most important web sites of the Jihadi Salafiyyah, Manbar al-Tawhid wal-Jihad, of the Palestinian/Jordanian scholar Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi. The book is entitled Osama bin Laden: Mujaddid al-Zaman wa-qahir al-Amrikan (Bin Laden: The Reformer of our Times and Defeater of the Americans), by the Saudi scholar Abu Jandal al-Azdi. In 460 pages this book raises Bin Laden to a new level of a reformer or reviver, attributes that in modern Islamic history have been bestowed only on very few scholars, such as Hasan al-Bana the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, or Abu al-Ala al-Mawdudi in India and Pakistan. The use of this term with regard to Bin Laden is significant to his followers, since it functions as part of a growing personality cult around al-Qaida’s leader. Not even Sayyid Qutb, who might have deserved this title from the followers of the Egyptian Jihad, has enjoyed this title. Bin Laden, who is neither a cleric nor an Islamic scholar at all, enjoys this admiration at least by his Saudi sympathizers.

To consolidate the indoctrination of Global Jihad by new generation of scholars, Qaidat al-Jihad has recently attempted to resume its official web site, Al-Neda, which had been closed since April 2003. The web site represents an institute called The Center for Islamic Studies and Research, and is widely considered, both by observers and supporters of Qaidat al-Jihad, to be its official organ. In early June 2003, the Saudi security forces managed to kill a young Saudi cleric by the name of Sheikh Yousef al-Ayyeri. He was killed during the campaign against Saudi extremist Islamist elements, suspected in connections to the suicide bombings in Riyadh on 12 May 2003, in which 16 scholars and operatives have been killed and dozens have been arrested so far. Following the killing of Al-Ayyeri, followers of Al-Qaida started to publish much information about him, and he thus became known as “the man behind Al-Neda.” Furthermore, thousands of Islamist youngsters now admire him as the scholar who wrote many of the unsigned articles published by Al-Neda.

The political circumstances and unrest that have been developed in Saudi Arabia in recent years, and especially in the past six months, have given an opportunity to the most radical Saudi Islamists not only to stand in the front line of Global Jihad, but to lead a violent and open struggle against a regime that in the past decade preferred to plant its head in the sand. Saudi financing, which directly or indirectly has poured billions of dollars to Islamists all over the world has irrigated a new generation of the most radical form of Jihadists to appear thus far. Another phenomenon to note here is the fact that unlike the former generation of Saudi radical Islamists, whose roots were either in the Southern part of Arabia bordering Yemen, or the Western region of the Hijaz, the new generation comes from the heart of Wahhabism — Najd. These are not people from the margins of the Kingdom’s society, where opposition to the Wahhabis existed for many years. The younger generation comes from the Wahhabi homeland, and some of them from respected families or clans.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 11/23/2003 12:34:42 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Al-Qaeda franchising its brand of terror worldwide
Looks like a riff on the theme of the Philadelphia Inquirer story from yesterday...
Decimated and financially emasculated, al-Qaeda has franchised its brand of synchronized, devastating terror to smaller, regional groups around the world, posing a major challenge to counterterrorism forces, The Washington Post said Friday. With the shared experience of the al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan, thousands of terrorists are now communicating via the Internet, passing on bomb and chemical-making techniques, US, European and Arab intelligence analysts and experts told the daily. Investigators, for example, have found the same type of fuse being used in different continents, the sources said. al-Qaeda, with most of its leadership killed and its financial structure under increased scrutiny, has turned to inspiring and instigating attacks such as the recent bombings in Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Chechnya and Iraq, the experts said. "The threat has moved beyond al-Qaeda," said Rohan Gunaratna, a terrorism expert at the Singapore-based Institute of Defense and Strategic Studies. "While al-Qaeda was the instigator of recent attacks, very few have actually been carried out by al-Qaeda."
That's because Qaeda's reduced to its core cadre.
The smaller, regional groups that have fallen under al-Qaeda's influence include Islamic Great Eastern Raiders Front, which claimed Thursday's bombings in Istanbul, Jemaah Islamiyah in Indonesia and other obscure groups in Pakistan, Morocco the Philippines and Chechnya.
Not that obscure if you read Rantburg...
Around 20,000 people from 47 countries were trained and indoctrinated in al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan Gunaratna described as "a terrorist Disneyland, where you could meet anyone from any Islamic group." The al-Qaeda inspired terrorist groups have also caused the financial structure of terrorism to shift, officials said. "There is no pool of money now that everyone can draw on," said a senior US official. "There is no longer a fairly knowable group of large donors or entities. Now, groups in Indonesia raise money there. Groups in Malaysia raise money there. There are many more targets, and much harder to find."
There's still the Soddy flow, but it's eked out by the rakeoff from zakat, the donation boxes in the mosques, and the local bigwig sympathizers...
Many of the local groups resort to petty crime, drug trafficking and extortion to finance their operations, officials said.
We've noted the fine line differentiating jihadis in crooks a time or two...
Paul Pillar, a Central Intelligence Agency analyst and terror expert said the franchising of al-Qaeda was partly the result of US success in killing off the terrorist group's leadership and disrupting its sources of finance.
That's what I said yesterday. It's a sign of our success.
One of bin Laden's major contributions, he added, was "putting the anti-American perspective at the forefront. It has been so successful that it has thoroughly affected even these groups that are more regionally focused ... Anti-Americanism sells, particularly in the Middle East."
And it'll continue to sell for the next few years. The fact remains that we broke Qaeda into its component parts. It's lost its economy of scale. There's no central Jihadland for jihadis to socialize and train together. Now we have to go after each of the parts and break them up, some into their own component parts, other just to smash. We knew from the first that the war wouldn't be quick or easy.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 00:05 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Let's hope that the history book about this war is written in English.
Posted by: Lucky || 11/23/2003 19:57 Comments || Top||


Home Front
The Draft Dodger feckless coward Dean
EFL

In the winter of 1970, a 21-year-old student from Yale walked into his armed services physical in New York carrying X-rays and a letter from his orthopedist, eager to know whether a being a p*ssy back condition might keep him out of the military draft.
Oh, this is rich!...
This was not an uncommon scene in 1970, since a large portion of American males were feckless candyasses when medical deferments were a frequently used avenue for those reluctant to take part in the unpopular war in Vietnam. And this story would have little interest save that Howard Dean was the name of the young man. Now, 33 years later, he finds himself a leading Democrat in the quest for the party’s nomination to be president of the United States.
Oh boy...
Dr. Dean got the medical deferment, but in a recent interview he said he probably could have served had he not mentioned the condition.

"I guess that’s probably true," he said. "I mean, I was a feckless candyass with a silver spoon jammed up my ass in no hurry to get into the military."
And how did ‘Dr. dickless Dean’ spend his new found free time while other men with breasts filled the breach?
In the 10 months after his graduation from Yale, time he might otherwise have spent in uniform, Dr. Dean lived the life of a ski bum in Aspen, Colo. His back condition did not affect his skiing the way the rigors of military service would have, he said, nor did it prevent him from taking odd jobs like pouring concrete in the warm months and washing dishes when it got cold.
F@^#ING ASSCLOWN!
Even the candidate’s mother, Andree Maitland Dean, said in a recent interview about his skiing after receiving a medical deferment, "Yeah, that looks bad."
Yeah, it not only looks bad. It is bad. Dr. Dean you owe an apology to all those men who lost limbs, and were killed while you played grab ass in Aspen.


Posted by: Dragon Fly || 11/23/2003 6:25:57 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And how did ‘Dr. dickless Dean’ spend his new found free time while other men with breasts filled the breach?

Oopps! That's Chests, not Breasts! My C.S. Lewis is getting a little rusty.
Posted by: Anonymous || 11/23/2003 18:44 Comments || Top||

#2  Remind me again how this guy is really a blue-collar, everyman candidate who is in tune with 'working' Americans? I seem to have forgotten.
Posted by: commo || 11/23/2003 19:00 Comments || Top||

#3  and what about your AWOL not-elected president?
say something.
shamericans are so dumb, they are really fucked up.
Posted by: joe || 11/23/2003 19:23 Comments || Top||

#4  Has anyone ever produced a piece of paper charging Bush with being AWOL?

No?

Then he was never AWOL, m'kay?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 11/23/2003 19:33 Comments || Top||

#5  I'll be honest w/you joe. G.W. Bush's mil record is definitely nothing to brag about. I know he was in the champagne air force w/a lot of other rich kids from Texas - and I'll probably take fire for that comment - that's okay I'm a big boy. However, he was never charged w/anything as per RC's comment. OTOH - Should we add Clinton to the list of people w/less than shiny backgrounds? The foia has him as a felon under public law. How about Gore, who somehow only did 5 months of a 1-yr tour in 'Nam w/a bodyguard paid for by his daddy and lil' Al lying about walking point on patrols when he was really a REMF journalist...Don't make me laugh. Dean knows what he did. I believe he also wrestled at Yale but couldn't go into the mil - and spent post undergrad skiing - you do the math. You don't justify bad behavior w/bad behavior. As far as not-election goes - re-read the laws. We live in a republic, not a "true democracy" no matter how much the looney left believes that. BTW - I'm not even a republican so any anti-conservative comebacks won't work w/me. I'm curious as to what a "shamerican" is?
Posted by: Jarhead || 11/23/2003 19:47 Comments || Top||

#6  no wonder Dean's so angry! He knew this would come out
Posted by: Frank G || 11/23/2003 19:54 Comments || Top||

#7  JH I've never flown an F-102... But I expect the life expectancy of an F-102 pilot was much lower than than of a newpaper boy on the grand war tour or the local ski bum.

Posted by: Shipman || 11/23/2003 20:23 Comments || Top||

#8  Hi Joe!
Didn't see ya the first time thru.

Have a cookie!
Posted by: Shipman || 11/23/2003 20:25 Comments || Top||

#9  Look, I'm not here to defend Dean, because I think he's kind of obnoxious. But if you guys believe Bush did anything but avoid combat in Vietnam, then you are just a bunch of sycophants. And although I don't think he can be considered AWOL, he did everything to not only avoid combat, but to shirk his military duties otherwise. And if you look here I think you'll find some documentation of his poor service record. So don't go busting people's chops for not fighting what was an extremely unpopular and divisive war, especially someone like Dean, who is frankly pretty easy to attack on other grounds. By the way, what would say about Clark? Too much military service and decoration?
Posted by: J || 11/23/2003 21:33 Comments || Top||

#10  I find it hard to believe that George Bush sought to evade service in Vietnam by enlisting in a National Guard unit that was deployed to Vietnam.

HobbsOnLine on May 7, 2003 did a comprehensive debunking of this myth. He cites a New York Times investigation, as well as National Guard Magazine and the Boston Globe. His conclusions:
Indeed, in the first four years of his six-year commitment, Bush spent the equivalent of 21 months on active duty, including 18 months in flight school. His Democratic opponent, Vice President Al Gore, who enlisted in the Army for two years and spent five months in Vietnam, logged only about a month more active service, since he won an early release from service.

Incidentally, Bush flew with the 111th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron, which was attached to the 147th Fighter Wing, based in Houston, Texas. While Bush's unit never got called to Vietnam, the 147th was. From 1968 through 1970, pilots from the 147th participated in operation "Palace Alert" and served in Southeast Asia during the height of the Vietnam War. The 147th came off runway alert on Jan. 1, 1970 to start a new mission of training all F-102 pilots in the United States for the Air National Guard.

Bush enlisted as an Airman Basic in the 147th Fighter-Interceptor Group at Ellington Air Force Base, Houston, on May 28, 1968 - a a time when the 147th was actively participating in combat in Vietnam. However, one can not train overnight to be a pilot. Bush completed basic flight training and then, from December 1969 through June 27, 1970, he was training full-time at Ellington to be an F-102 pilot.

Bush volunteered to serve in a unit at the very moment it was seeing combat in Vietnam, and only a restructuring of the unit's mission before he completed his flight training made it unlikely he would fly in combat. And he was never AWOL - he completed his required service and even served beyond the minimum.
Posted by: Chuck || 11/23/2003 22:33 Comments || Top||

#11  While we are talking about Clark.

Why did he get pulled from Kosovo?

Why are his peers dissing him? I sure you will say politics

It would be so easy for him to release his record to the public so we can make up our own minds
Posted by: capt joe || 11/23/2003 22:45 Comments || Top||

#12  Jarhead-I admire your dedication to duty --but I don't think Bush or Dean have done as much for our country as you are doing! But the bottom line is Bush and all the other rich kids got a free ride during 'Nam. I would include Gore, Bush and Dean, I was fortunate enough to be too young for the draft--I can't honestly say how I would have dealt with it--but have always admired people like my Dad who were in the USMC and appreciate their service to our country, so don't assume all liberal Democrats (like ME) are anti-military
Posted by: NotMikeMoore || 11/23/2003 23:35 Comments || Top||

#13  Not all lib Dems are anti-military...just 80 -90%.
Posted by: LeftEnd || 11/24/2003 0:16 Comments || Top||

#14  "and what about your AWOL not-elected president? say something. shamericans are so dumb, they are really fucked up."

You aren't the arbiter of American elections, asshole. Shame you're such a fucked up totalitarian bigot.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 11/24/2003 1:58 Comments || Top||


CAIR needs to learn to flush.
EFL
The Council on American-Islamic Relations once again is demanding an apology for an alleged slur of Muslims, this time asserting a veteran cartoonist has cryptically defamed Islam. The Washington, D.C.-based group sent out a dispatch to its e-mail list after a "B.C." cartoon last week by Johnny Hart was publicly questioned on a Washington Post Web chat page. The cartoon shows a caveman entering an outhouse at night, and then saying, from inside, "Is it just me, or does it stink in here?"
(Cartoon’s on the site - read the whole thing.)
This is the height of insanity. These people (CAIR) are psychologically unstable - they see "affronts to Islam" everywhere, I’m sure even under the bed at night. They need to get a grip. If they don’t stop their incessant "Islam is so holy it cannot be even remotely twigged", they’re going to initiate such a backlash (not far off, IMHO) that will put Islam in the same boat with Zorastrianism, with about as many followers.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/23/2003 1:31:35 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The seeming lack of a Muslim sense of humor probably will be their downfall.
Posted by: Hiryu || 11/23/2003 13:43 Comments || Top||

#2  Actually the reverse may be true. If Islam allows humor, it allows freethinking and if it allows freethinking, it allows freedom of conscience and if it allows freedom of conscience, people can leave Islam without fear and if people can leave Islam without fear, the game is up.
Posted by: mhw || 11/23/2003 14:12 Comments || Top||

#3  Hey, if that hooper dipshit from cair keeps spouting bizarre crap like this, they'll be completely marginalized. Well, except with the rest of the tinfoil hatters and crazies on the left. The more stuff like this they go after, the more paranoid and insane they look.
Posted by: commo || 11/23/2003 14:21 Comments || Top||

#4  In my opinion, Johnny Hart is *mildly* funny about one time in a thousand. When I saw the outhouse cartoon, I complained to my boyfriend about Hart taking up valuable real estate in the funny pages. Why is this funny? Outhouses stink? Who knew?!

I can't decide whether to believe it was indeed a coded slur: if it was, it was somewhat funny, and subtle, and I don't believe Hart is capable of either.

Maybe the Mossad drew the comic that day.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 11/23/2003 14:55 Comments || Top||

#5  IMHO, BC was VERY funny in its earlier days. Maybe Hart found religion and lost his sense of humor; maybe he's just run out of good material.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 11/23/2003 15:27 Comments || Top||

#6  CAIR and the elitist dipsticks that run it are showing that they can be just as racists and intolerant as their brothers in the middle east. IF that (funny but hardly anti-islam) cartoon had been in a paper in Cairo, Beruit, etc. they would be rioting in the streets. People they are just wrapped that frigin tight. They remind me of my 13-year-old (always moody and itching for a fight). Don't engage them and just ignore, they will grow up soon enough.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 11/23/2003 16:25 Comments || Top||

#7  Actually, the cartoon does seem anti-Islam. And it is pretty obvious. But so what?? If I had a penny for every time Jesus (or Christianity) was made fun of on TV nowadays....
Posted by: Rafael || 11/23/2003 18:22 Comments || Top||

#8  just ignore, they will grow up soon enough.
You'd think 1300 years would be enough, don't you?
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/23/2003 18:25 Comments || Top||

#9  I'm sorry but Islam doesn't have a patent (or even trademark) on the crescent moon.

Along with the moons, CAIR's e-mail noted that Hart drew a sound effect – "SLAM" – between two frames to accompany the closing of the outhouse door. The SLAM, which was rendered vertically in the shape of an I, could be viewed as "Islam," CAIR said.

I suppose they don't consider Iman's screaming death to all Jews and Americans from the mosques to be raciest at all.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 11/23/2003 20:24 Comments || Top||

#10  Moons got legs?
Posted by: Shipman || 11/23/2003 20:28 Comments || Top||

#11  What's the saying ...don't hand someone a whip to beat you with ?? Something like that.

Except for Muslims, desperately searching for persecution under every rock, no one else would have gotten it (if they read it)or heard about it if they didn't. CAIR has just succesfully publicized this negative stereotype for us all to consider, even though it probably wasn't there in the first place.

They did themselves no favors, but they certainly did one for Hart. He's gotta be loving it....this IS a celebrity's dream negative-publicity-event.
Posted by: B || 11/24/2003 8:07 Comments || Top||


Caucasus
Shevardnadze resigns
Shevardnadze resignsFox News reports that Eduard Shevardnadze has resigned. Earlier CNN reported that the Georgian National Guard had switched allegiance to the opposition.
I think we've seen this coming for the past week or so...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 11:14 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Fred, is this good news or bad?
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 11:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Who can tell at this point? Ed started out as a unifying figure in Georgia after the shoot-em-up period with Zviad Gamsakhurdia. As an administrator he's been ineffective and corruption's become a way of life -- Georgia's as much an alliance of bandidos as it is a country. My gut tells me to put my hopes on the opposition and hope the process spreads to Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan, where they also have presidents-for-life. But I don't think they're going to be able to actually govern any better than Ed did.

Both the candidates to succeed Ed seem to be pro-American. On the other hand, Russia regards Georgia as being within its sphere of influence. If they try to do something about the Pankisi Gorge and put the military assistance we gave them last year to use, then it'll be a good thing.
Posted by: Fred || 11/23/2003 11:29 Comments || Top||

#3  in the accounts I have read there is no talk of Islam being a factor in Georgian politics. I would guess that our interests coincide with those of the Russians in this case. We would like a stable regime that doesn't sponsor or host internaitonal terrorists.
I wonder if they will ask for Western help.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 13:45 Comments || Top||

#4  Quote from a Reuters article:

"The 81-year-old, who wore a pin bearing a picture of Georgia's other well-known son Josef Stalin, said he was fed up of waiting for his 14 lari (about $7) a month pension to arrive and accused Shevardnadze of toying with peoples' lives. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=574&ncid=721&e=1&u=/nm/20031123/wl_nm/georgia_scene_dc

If a Stalin supporter hated Shevardnadze then I'm nervous about who he does support and what role they had in the "revolution". I know nothing about the opposition... I'm curious to learn what their ideology is.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 11/23/2003 16:44 Comments || Top||

#5  This might be a good place to remind Rantburgers (mmmm... new taste sensation?) of a couple of blogs relevant to this topic. Cincerella Bloggerfeller follows lot of central European sources. Here are profiles of opposition leader Mikheil Saakashvili and Nino Burjanadze (Georgia's "acting president"), both translated from Gazeta Wyborcza.

And Mary Neal of Living With Caucasians is blogging from Tbilisi:

"President Shevardnadze issued a statement from his office that says, "The armed attack on the president has ended without casualties. President Shevardnadze is alive. An armed coup has occurred in Georgia."
(!)
Only trouble here is that it occurred on live television, and everyone saw it. No arms. Not even remotely a question of casualties.

I wonder how long it will take some news service to take the fallacious implications of this statement seriously.

Posted by: Old Grouch || 11/23/2003 16:48 Comments || Top||

#6  Old Grouch, thanks for the tip. Cinderella Bloggerfeller had a link to this BBC article quoting regional heads of state on their concern with the situation in Georgia.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 19:07 Comments || Top||

#7  Seems like yesterday that Shevardnadze was a good guy. Ah well alas and a lak.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/23/2003 20:09 Comments || Top||


Home Front
FBI Follows the Money from Riyadh
The FBI, in an unprecedented move that has strained relations with a close ally in the war on terrorism, has subpoenaed records for dozens of bank accounts belonging to the Saudi Embassy, part of an investigation into whether any of the hundreds of millions of dollars Riyadh spends in the United States each year end up in the hands of Muslim extremists. The wide-ranging investigation into the $300 million a year the Saudi Embassy spends here was launched this summer, just as the U.S. and Saudi governments were hailing a new era of cooperation in the fight against Muslim terrorism. Earlier this year, U.S. and Saudi officials established the first-ever joint task force to track terrorist financing in Saudi Arabia.

U.S. officials said the FBI’s Washington field office subpoenaed the records of dozens of Saudi bank accounts to determine whether Saudi government money knowingly or unknowingly helped fund extremists in the United States. Although many Saudi entities have been investigated in the past, U.S. officials said this was the first investigation to directly probe Saudi government funds. Senior U.S. officials said they do not recall any other time when the bank records of an embassy were subpoenaed.

The probe, U.S. officials said, was approved by the National Security Council working group on terrorist financing at the request of several congressional leaders. The investigation focuses on the financial activities of the Islamic and cultural affairs office of the embassy as well as the activities of Saudi consulates around the United States, officials said.

The subpoenas outraged Saudi officials, who believe they were unnecessary. "We became aware of the subpoenas in August, and we immediately said to the American authorities, ’if you want this information, why didn’t you just ask us? We would have given it to you,’ " one senior official said. In fact, the official said, the Saudi government subsequently turned over embassy spending records for the past 20 years, including records of Saudi payments for educational expenses and medical attention for Saudi nationals here. "We have nothing to hide," the official said. "If there is something suspicious, we want to know. But if there is nothing, they owe it to us to say publicly they found nothing."

Since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, authorities also have stepped up their interest in the Saudi government’s support for the puritanical brand of Islam known as Wahhabism. Wahhabism eschews what it considers the West’s corrupting influence on Islam and often advocates violence against Christians, Jews and the West. Its principles have been embraced by al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.
The basic tenet of Wahhabism is to welcome all converts, but to SUBDUE those who do not convert. The connection between the Wahhabs and the House of Saud goes back almost 300 years.

U.S. and foreign intelligence agencies have documented the flow of money to terrorist groups from organizations affiliated with charities that received funds from wealthy Saudis and the Saudi government. Money for such charities often flows through the embassy’s Islamic and cultural affairs bureau. The subpoenas were issued several weeks after the May deportation of Fahad al Thumairy, who had worked for the Islamic and cultural affairs section of the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles since 1996. Thumairy’s visa was revoked, and he was deported because of suspected ties to terrorists, according to officials from the Department of Homeland Security.
If there’s smoke look for the smoldering embers.

A senior official with direct knowledge of the probe said the FBI was still doing a "preliminary analysis" of the documents. "It is mostly legitimate stuff as far as we can tell so far," the official said, "but there are some things we are following up on." The Saudi official said that, while large sums of money passed through the embassy, most of it was for scholarships for thousands of Saudi students and government-paid medical treatment for Saudi subjects. In all, the official said, about $17 million over the course of 20 years, less than $1 million a year, went to supporting Islamic institutions and religious work in the United States. In contrast, he said, each of the estimated 4,000 Saudi students studying here receives about $40,000 a year, a total of $160 million a year. "The notion that we can send money here and not account for it is preposterous," the official said. "We are not a banana republic."
In fact they’re not a republic at all. And that’s worrisome.
Posted by: Gasse katze || 11/23/2003 9:37:13 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The title links to page two of the WPO article.
Sorry, page one is linked here.
Posted by: Gasse Katze || 11/23/2003 9:41 Comments || Top||

#2  I think this speaks to how little the FBI trusts our own state department to support US interests over those of Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 10:43 Comments || Top||

#3  Super Hose -- anyone who trusts the State Department is asking for a serious disappointment. Sometimes I think it would be easier to find an honest man in Congress than a loyal American at State.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 11/23/2003 14:11 Comments || Top||

#4  Robert, I think the Saudi criminal that the FBI was going to seize until the State Department negotiated a settlement was the last straw for the FBI.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 19:22 Comments || Top||

#5  Slowly filling the Stone Bucket...
Posted by: mojo || 11/23/2003 20:24 Comments || Top||


Middle East
2 Israelis guarding barrier are killed
Two private Israeli guards at a construction site along Israel’s controversial security barrier were shot dead last night by assailants believed to be Palestinians acting out of "nationalistic" motives, police said.
"nationalistic"? As in kill all Joooos?
Using searchlights and helicopters, Israeli troops and police spent hours scouring the rough, rocky terrain near where the assault took place. No arrests were immediately reported.
proving once again why the fence is such a good idea...regardless of what W says
The Jenin Martyrs Brigade, a militant group believed to be linked to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat’s Fatah faction, claimed responsibility for the shooting in a statement faxed to news media.
That'd be al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, with a false nose and moustache...
The scene of the shooting was on Jerusalem’s outskirts, in the Kidron Valley, a steep ravine that runs between Jerusalem’s Old City and the Mount of Olives. The attack occurred as Israeli and Palestinian officials continued efforts to lay the groundwork for talks between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his Palestinian counterpart, Ahmed Qurei. It would be the first meeting between the two leaders since Qureia’s government was sworn in earlier this month. Both sides have signaled they want to try to revive the moribund US-backed peace plan known as the "road map," but each also has expressed deep doubts about whether the other side is prepared to begin talks in good faith.
We can pretty well postulate that one side won't...
Violence also flared yesterday in the West Bank town of Jenin, where Israeli troops shot dead a child stone-thrower, according to Palestinian officials. The army said soldiers had fired at a gunman in the crowd of stone-throwers but had no knowledge of a child’s death.
a stone throwing 10 yr old can kill just as well as an adult. F ’em!
Palestinian witnesses and neighbors identified the child as 10-year-old Ibrahim Jalamna. The two slain Israeli guards were watching over heavy construction equipment being used to build the security barrier, which has drawn harsh criticism from Palestinians and human rights groups. Israel defends the barrier — which is part concrete wall and part electronic fence, bolstered in some sections by trenches and a wide buffer zone — as a necessary bulwark against suicide attackers. Jerusalem police spokesman Shmuel Ben-Ruby said the two security guards were in their car when two or three gunmen approached and shot them at close range. The assailants then stole the weapons of the critically wounded guards and fled, he said. Both guards died of their wounds soon afterward, according to Israeli rescue workers. Three other security guards stationed nearby heard the shots and fired toward the assailants as they fled in a car toward the Palestinian village of Abu Dis, but the gunmen apparently escaped unhurt.
Damn. That's too bad.
Most of the completed sections of the barrier are in the northern West Bank, but work has been proceeding rapidly on a separate spur surrounding Jerusalem. Earlier this month, a United Nations report said the 425-mile barrier, if completed under the current route, would expropriate 15 percent of West Bank land and adversely affect 400,000 Palestinians by blocking their access to jobs and services. Last month, the UN General Assembly overwhelmingly approved a resolution calling on Israel to halt construction, but Israel said the building would continue. Previously, under pressure from the United States, Sharon agreed to leave temporary gaps in the barrier rather than driving deep into the West Bank to enclose several large Jewish settlements.
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Dichter: Hamas spends 90% of time in hiding
JPost Reg Req’d
Shin Bet chief Avi Dichter told the cabinet at its weekly meeting Sunday that Hamas leaders are spending 90 percent of their time in hiding and only 10 percent on planning terror attacks against Israel.
Chopper sounds send them scurrying like roaches when the light’s turned on ...heh heh
"They are interested in a Hudna [temporary cease-fire] so they can come out of underground and strengthen their terror infrastructure," Dichter said.
he gets it
Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei has been working on trying to achieve a Hudna with the different Palestinian terror organizations over the past few weeks. Qurei’s plan is to reach an understanding on a cease-fire with the various Palestinian factions, and then try to persuade Israel to join the truce as a partner. On Wednesday, Qurei told leaders of Palestinian factions in Gaza City that there can be no such thing as a ’free Hudna’ and that Israel would be required to reciprocate for a cessation of terrorist attacks.
how about.....no?
Dichter told the ministers that 14 suicide attacks have been thwarted recently and that there was a significant rise in attempts to carry out attacks during the month of Ramadan, the Muslim month of fasting.
ROPma....the attacks this Ramadan show all the hand-wringing about not attacking muslims during Ramadan (remember Clinton?) was so much western guilt and projection. the muslims seem to find it particularly islamic to boom then
According to Dichter, 9% of the Palestinian Authority’s budget goes to Yasser Arafat. The amount, Dichter said, is larger than the entire Palestinian health budget and parts of it are transferred to terror organizations.
wow! He cut back to 9%...must be all the bad publicity lately
Posted by: Frank G || 11/23/2003 9:04:33 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Tell him where he can stick his hunda.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 11:20 Comments || Top||

#2  I like it when they get Hudna-Prone
Posted by: Shipman || 11/23/2003 20:39 Comments || Top||


Korea
S. Korea, Japan Hopeful for Nuke Talks after Suspending Reactor Construction
South Korea and Japan expressed hope Saturday that suspending construction of two nuclear power plants in North Korea won’t frustrate efforts to persuade the North to dismantle its suspected nuclear weapons programs.
Undoubtedly the NKors will have a measured, carefully-considered response.
A U.S.-led consortium - which includes both South Korea and Japan, along with the European Union - said Friday it would halt the construction of the light-water reactors for a year. The decision came amid efforts to set up a second round of six-nation talks aimed at persuading North Korea to abandon its nuclear ambitions in return for security guarantees. North Korea did not immediately react to the one-year suspension, which takes effect Dec. 1.
Spittle! 12-o’clock high!
Japanese Foreign Ministry spokesman Jiro Okuyama said he hoped the suspension would prompt North Korea to ``dismantle its nuclear weapons development program in an irreversible, complete, and verifiable manner.’’ At the least, a senior South Korean government official involved in the reactor project said, it is hoped the suspension will not adversely affect the talks.
NKors seem almost Arab-like in understanding cause-and-effect.
In a separate development Saturday, Japanese newspapers reported that Tokyo is drafting legislation that would let it to slap economic sanctions on North Korea to pressure it to abandon its suspected nuclear weapons program.
Yet another turn of the screw.
The proposed bill comes as Japan hopes to take advantage of the next round of nuclear talks to question North Korea over the kidnapping of its citizens decades ago. North Korea, however, has warned that Japan’s pursuit of the issue could derail the fragile nuclear negotiations.
Love the Japanese response on this — quiet continued pressing of the issue.
State Department spokesman Adam Ereli said Thursday ``there’s no future’’ for the project. But South Korea, Japan and the EU have favored using the prospect of reviving the $4.6 billion project to persuade North Korea to give up its plans to develop nuclear weapons.
Carrot hasn’t worked, let’s try another application of the Clue Bat.
The light-water reactors are the biggest construction project in the North, coveted by the communist state. They are for power-generation, and it’s extremely difficult to use them for weapons purposes.
Guess the lights won’t be on in North Korea at night. Not that they’re ever on.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/23/2003 1:55:21 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I understand that they need power, but I hope we realize that the NK education system is not going to provide a bunch of engineers, electricians and mechanics capable of safely operating a reactor.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 11:13 Comments || Top||

#2  you should look at a night satellite of that area of the world.

real dark.
Posted by: capt joe || 11/23/2003 20:24 Comments || Top||


Africa: East
Darfur rebels say Sudan broke the truce ...
Seems consistent enough with their previous behavior ...
Rebels in western Sudan accused the government Saturday of violating a truce with airstrikes and militia raids that killed 30 people, mostly civilians.
Those would of course be the "military targets."
The government said it knew nothing of the attacks in the arid Darfur area, where the rebels of the Sudan Liberation Movement/Army (SLM/A) emerged as a fighting force in February, saying Khartoum had marginalized the impoverished region.
"Lies! All lies!"
"It’s been very bad. Attacks by government militias and the air raid have killed 30 people and lots of livestock," SLM/A Secretary-General Minni Arcua Minnawi told Reuters by phone from western Sudan. Minnawi said 24 of the dead were civilians and the rest rebel fighters. He said the attacks had started on Thursday and continued into Saturday in the west of Northern Darfur state, about 850 kilometers west of Khartoum. "They used an Antonov airplane to bomb civilians areas today (Saturday)," he said. In Khartoum, Internal Affairs Minister Major General Abdel Rahim Mohamed Hussein said he had not heard of any attacks in the area.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 11/23/2003 1:21:49 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Iran
Iran hands over 7 KADEK to Turkey
Iran has handed over to Turkey seven members of KADEK, a Turkish-based separatist Kurd organization, who had been in Iranian custody since March, the ISNA news agency reported. The seven militants from the Turkish Congress for Democracy and Freedom in Kurdistan (KADEK), the former PKK, have all been handed over to Turkish officials, a chief border guard, Colonel Vali Salehi, was quoted as saying by ISNA. "Iran does not allow these individuals to penetrate its territory," he said, adding that, "to intensify the fight against the PKK," three new posts have been set up along the country’s border with Turkey. Salehi criticised Ankara for not doing enough to fight against Iranian opposition groups operating in Turkey. In mid-November, KADEK said it was no longer fighting for self-rule in Turkey and said it was disbanding in order to set up a more democratic Kurdish organization. As the PKK, KADEK waged a 15-year separatist war on Ankara until 1999.
This may well be a preemptive PR attempt by the ayatollahs, especially given that they’re listed as being the main backer behind the Raiders (as well as al-Qaeda, if the number of top brass hanging out with the IRGC these days is anything judge by) and the Turks are likely to want revenge for recent events in Istanbul. By tossing Ankara some KADEK, the ayatollahs may hope that they can sweet-talking Erdogan and Co away from any swift action until the Middle East short attention span kicks in a couple of months from now.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 11/23/2003 1:14:17 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What kind of relaitons are there between Turkey and Iran?
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 10:53 Comments || Top||


Home Front
F.B.I. Scrutinizes Antiwar Rallies
The Federal Bureau of Investigation has collected extensive information on the tactics, training and organization of antiwar demonstrators and has advised local law enforcement officials to report any suspicious activity at protests to its counterterrorism squads, according to interviews and a confidential bureau memorandum. The memorandum, which the bureau sent to local law enforcement agencies last month in advance of antiwar demonstrations in Washington and San Francisco, detailed how protesters have sometimes used "training camps" to rehearse for demonstrations, the Internet to raise money and gas masks to defend against tear gas. The memorandum analyzed lawful activities like recruiting demonstrators, as well as illegal activities like using fake documentation to get into a secured site. F.B.I. officials said in interviews that the intelligence-gathering effort was aimed at identifying anarchists and "extremist elements" plotting violence, not at monitoring the political speech of law-abiding protesters. The initiative has won the support of some local police, who view it as a critical way to maintain order at large-scale demonstrations. Indeed, some law enforcement officials said they believed the F.B.I.'s approach had helped to ensure that nationwide antiwar demonstrations in recent months, drawing hundreds of thousands of protesters, remained largely free of violence and disruption.

But some civil rights advocates and legal scholars said the monitoring program could signal a return to the abuses of the 1960's and 1970's, when J. Edgar Hoover was the F.B.I. director and agents routinely spied on political protesters like the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. "The F.B.I. is dangerously targeting Americans who are engaged in nothing more than lawful protest and dissent," said Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union. "The line between terrorism and legitimate civil disobedience is blurred, and I have a serious concern about whether we're going back to the days of Hoover."
Squealing like piggies, are they? The Feds must actually be doing something right. As far as I know, and I suppose I could be wrong, there's no civil right to heave bricks through store windows or set fire to cars.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 00:21 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's that eeeeeevvviiillll Ashcroft! Bwahahahah!
Posted by: Frank G || 11/23/2003 8:54 Comments || Top||

#2  antiwar demonstrators

Read: lefists

anarchists and "extremist elements"

Read: Leftists

civil rights advocates and legal scholars

Read: Leftists

Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union

Read: Leftist

Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union. "The line between terrorism and legitimate civil disobedience is blurred, and I have a serious concern about whether we're going back to the days of Hoover."

I thought the ACLU LURVES gay folks. I guess that only applies to 'certain' gay folks, eh?
Posted by: badanov || 11/23/2003 8:56 Comments || Top||

#3  There is a certain amount of necessary monitoring of all political groups. This discourages funds coming in from foriegn governments to unregistered agents.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 10:48 Comments || Top||

#4  Maybe you have to break eggs to make omlets but don't be dismissive of the critics. If the current administration does abuse power it will make all the harder to convince the public at large to support a real crackdown against Islamist if necessary.
Posted by: Hiryu || 11/23/2003 13:42 Comments || Top||

#5  Hiryu, the FBI has been pretty effect without being heavy handed so far with respect to AQ. They have busted several cells without a general roundup of Arab American citizens.
I agree that as long as there isn't Saudi money being funneled into the anti-war movement, the FBI should keep its hands off in most respects. Terrorist training would be the exception. A bombing campaign does not qualify as non-violent protest. Certainly the right wing group should be stomped upon if they engage in terrorism as well.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 13:55 Comments || Top||

#6  Hiryu, a backpack with pipe bombs in it was found at one of the pre-war "peace" rallies. A "peace" activist was going around California loosening the bolts on transmission tower legs. Numerous people in the "peace" movement were threatening to sabotage military bases during the war.

St. Corrie of IHOP was a "peace" activist; her type permeates the "movement". There's much, much more danger from them than most people would like to think.

(As for Hoover -- is there a GOOD biography of him? One that looks at what he really did, not what the leftists imagine he did.)
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 11/23/2003 14:23 Comments || Top||

#7  A point completely obscured by media indoctrination over the last 40 years:
"Civil disobediance" is, by definition, illegal and therefore a legitimate subject for investigation (to say nothing of the increasing trend toward outright violence among the peace hypocrites).
Romero apparently wants blanket immunity for the anti-war movement, another example of an imaginary right creating a privileged class.
The "training camps" mentioned are run by the Ruckus Society, and financed by none other than the (Ted) Turner Foundation.
Along with the usual Orwellian blather about non-violence (ie disruptive intimidation), their homepage includes this interesting admission:
In most countries the Global Justice Movement is led by the communities most affected by corporate globalization (primarily low-income communities of color). However in the US and Canada, the Global Justice Movement appears to be dominated by young white people from middle and upper-income class backgrounds.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 11/23/2003 15:43 Comments || Top||

#8  AC, what you say is true, but our society has come to tolerate "sit-ins" and other forms of non-destructive civil disobedience. A bunch of kooks handcuffing themselves naked in front of Food Lion to protest half-off leg of lamb is not worth the FBI's time. That said Molotov Cocktails are not acceptable. Rock-throwing is assualt. Destruction of property and petty vandalism is not free speech.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 19:29 Comments || Top||

#9  Just look at the recent BBC report where BBC reporters infiltrated the demonstrators (hard to believe the BBC of all orgs did this). They reported that the protestors were trying to determine whether throwing petrol bombs (molotovs) was a violent act. The problem with a mob is that it descends to the worst possible element in it. Next there will be debating that throwing grenades is not really violent.
Posted by: capt joe || 11/23/2003 20:22 Comments || Top||

#10  Peace protestors that arrive with ski masks or plan on using petrol bombs are not intending a peaceful protest. If the protestor organizers refuse to do anything about the violent folk in their midst I have no problems with the FBI doing it for them.
Posted by: ruprecht || 11/23/2003 21:06 Comments || Top||

#11  (As for Hoover -- is there a GOOD biography of him? One that looks at what he really did, not what the leftists imagine he did.)

Sorry RC, but Hoover got a tough deal. He came into office right when the publics over-spending back-lashed into the Great Depression and was completely over-shadowed by Roosevelt in later years. Sure, he directed all humanitarian aid during WW2, help make the FBI an effective law enforcement agency, and took part in the creation of the Hoover Dam. ( Originally called the Boulder Dam. It was the single greatest construction project of the Depression. )

Hoover was a great President. But he was also the fall guy.
Posted by: Charles || 11/23/2003 21:26 Comments || Top||

#12  That was Herbert Hoover.
Posted by: BOBB || 11/23/2003 21:41 Comments || Top||

#13  Hey Charles--why don't you ask ANYONE who lived during that Republican Depression what they thought of that fat-assed Chamber of Commerce hack also known as Herbert Hoover? A chicken in every pot!? LOL And now he's been transmorgified into the Hoover Institute that churns out imcometents like Condi Rice to perpetuate their idiocy--Gimme a break Charles--you are one dumbass MoFo
Posted by: NotMikeMoore || 11/23/2003 23:54 Comments || Top||

#14  Hey NMM--are you one of the "imcometents" from the Hoover Inst.?
Posted by: LeftEnd || 11/24/2003 0:10 Comments || Top||

#15  So, not michael moore, politely challenging the LLL orthodoxy makes one a "dumbass MoFo," you speak for everyone in their 80s and 90s, Condi Rice is "incometent," and the Hoover Institute propagates idiocy. All this is according to your unsupported opinion; and you will call us names if we dare to disagree. Yet you probably deny that you're an authoritarian.
BTW, you need to quit throwing around terms of logic until you can get some clue as to their meaning.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 11/24/2003 4:34 Comments || Top||


Latin America
Middle East insurgents extend base in S. America
The United States has determined that Islamic insurgency groups based in the Middle East have established operations in South America. U.S. officials said Middle East insurgents use South America to raise money through drug trafficking and other illegal activities. They said the Islamic groups also employ South America to recruit agents and ensure logistics for operations. The groups that operate in South America include the Palestinian-based Hamas, the Lebanese-based Hizbullah and the Egyptian Gamiat Islamiya, officials said. These organizations have representation in several countries in South America, including Argentina, Brazil, Columbia, Paraguay, Trinidad and Venezuela.
Maybe especially in Venezuela...
"These logistic cells reach back to the Middle East and extend to this hemisphere the sophisticated global support structure of international terrorism," U.S. Southern Command Gen. James Hill said. "Not surprisingly, Islamic radical groups and narcoterrorists in Colombia all practice the same business methods."
That's because they've got lots in common...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 00:06 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I hate to say it, but if we ended the drug war, and made legitimate business people out of the drug traffickers, we could shut Qaeda out of the drug trade. Are there very many Muslim terrorists selling moonshine? See my point?
Posted by: ISLAM SUCKS || 11/23/2003 1:39 Comments || Top||

#2  If we had fought the drug war like a war instead of a law enforcement fiasco, then the drug dealers would be out of business. As it is, the Islamic extremists and the narco terrorists have given us a green light to get very nasty and very tough. Let's take off the gloves and get the job done.
Posted by: Douglas De Bono || 11/23/2003 10:11 Comments || Top||

#3  At a certian point we need to establish some order in South America. There are criminal elements running all sectors of society in South America. Does anyone think that legalized gambling has really hurt organized crime in America?
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 11:19 Comments || Top||

#4  Dr. Tony Sousa, a Brazilian geologist living in the United States, has quite a bit of insight into this situation and has posted some good info at Little Green Footballs.
"Interestingly, this [Islamic subversion] is centered in the tri-border region of Argentina, Paraguay, and Brazil. For decades, this isolated region was best known to the outside world as a leading refuge for fugitive nazi war criminals. It is also a center of drug-smuggling, gun-running, and organized crime of all kinds."

Also this, in an earlier post:
"Just what attracted the Islamo-fascists to that isolated region in the first place is open to speculation, but the tri-border region was a most notorious refuge for fugitive nazi war criminals for several decades. The nazis are mostly dead now, but it is possible that Hizbollah moved in and took over their networks in the area before these faded completely.
Certainly, there were documented contacts between Hizbollah and Argentine neo-nazis during the 1990s. This provides a direct link between the current Islamo-fascists and the Third Reich."

Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 11/23/2003 15:22 Comments || Top||

#5  The way to stop a traffic is not by trying to cut supply because the more people you arrest, the more lucrative is the business and it attracts further purveyors.

The way is to cut the demand: this will put the suppliers out of business. In other words: "Desintoxicate or..."
Posted by: JFM || 11/23/2003 15:29 Comments || Top||

#6  Superhose, although legalized gambling hasn't hurt the mob the mob has little to do with it anymore, at least in Las Vegas. I think it became too big, and too visible, and the buyout checks from the corporations moving in were just too tempting.

During the Reagan administration there was discussion of getting Argentine troops involved in El Salvador and perhaps aiding the Contras. The Argies speak spanish, were looking for something to prove themselves, had just finished their dirty war and knew how to win, and it would have kept Gringo troops out of central America. Of course the Falkland Crisis screwed up the plans but its a decent plan anyway.

The US should got to the OAS and see if a coalition can be formed to end the civil war in Colombia. American money and logistics, and OAS troops. Since the war risks destabalizing the neighborhood there might be some folk willing to take up the call. Anyway it wouldn't hurt to float the idea and see what people think.
Posted by: ruprecht || 11/23/2003 21:12 Comments || Top||


Iran
Tehran dismisses UN resolution on rights
Iran dismissed on Saturday a resolution from a United Nations committee rebuking Tehran for human rights violations, describing the measure as "distorted", state news agency IRNA reported. The resolution, drafted by Canada, "interferes in Iran's internal affairs and is distorted," Iran's representative in the UN human rights committee, Peymaneh Hasteii, was quoted as saying. "The content of the resolution is not constructive, and the current approach will discourage Iran in elevating its cooperation with the world community in the area of human rights," she added.
I think that's Persian for "piss off."
A UN committee on Friday approved a resolution drafted by Canada rebuking Iran for rights violations including torture, suppression of free speech and discrimination against women. Introducing the resolution on Thursday, Canada's deputy UN ambassador Gilbert Laurin denied the move was in retaliation for the death of a Canadian photographer in police custody in Tehran in July. "It is an example of what is wrong with the human rights situation in Iran. Sadly, it is not the only case. There are too many others," Laurin said.
Cheeze. Canada noticed that.
Touching on the thorny issue of the slain Iranian-Canadian photographer Zahra Kazemi, Hasteii said: "Her murder brought remorse to all Iranians, the officials and the ordinary people... even the president and the parliament did their own independent investigations." Kazemi died in July in police custody after being arrested for taking pictures outside Tehran's Evin prison.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 00:06 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Just for laughs the Candians ought to try to float a resolution condenming the practice of honor killing through teh "human rights" committee. I bet that would get the distorted label as well.
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 10:58 Comments || Top||

#2  To late Iran. You've been rebuked. Canada can now stand tall with backbone firmly straight. In other news, Iran claims that high grade 'bud' from Canada is hurting Iranian hasheesh makers and threatens a trade war. Possible nuclear exchange?
Posted by: Lucky || 11/23/2003 12:28 Comments || Top||

#3  57,000 Canadians just sat thru 6 hours of outdoor hockey at 0 F.
If we could just aim these people.
:)
Posted by: Shipman || 11/23/2003 20:34 Comments || Top||


Iran vows: 'No' to decisions suppressing its nuclear energy rights
"Former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani here on Friday refreshed vows that Iran would not accept any "oppressive" decision coming out of the meeting of the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) later in the day," IRNA reported yesterday. The IRNA report said "Rafsanjani, in a sermon at Tehran Friday prayers, said Iran is waiting to see how much the US can influence the IAEA board meeting, and warned against any imprudent decision by the agency regarding Iran`s nuclear energy program."
"Mess with us and you're gonna get it!"
The report said "The next few hours are the hours of trial. We are waiting to see how much the US can impose its own inhuman and colonial views on the board through threat, coercion and bribing," he said. "The ball is now in their (IAEA) ground... If they do bad, the things will be then out of our control, and I hope they take no illogical decision because no oppressive decision can ever deprive Iran from its due rights."
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 00:06 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ocean of fire, burn our stomach in hell, zzzzzzzzzzz
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 11:01 Comments || Top||

#2  A half-dozen Mark34's will have a significant impact on the "hearts and minds" of the blackturbantops, not to mention the rest of the region. It's time to stop playing and get mean. Save a couple for Riyadh and Mecca.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/23/2003 12:57 Comments || Top||

#3  I thought every Iranian speech was supposed to end with "death to America!".
Posted by: Rafael || 11/23/2003 17:04 Comments || Top||


Africa: North
Morocco jails 15 for terror plots
A court in Rabat has sentenced 15 people to 20 years in prison for plotting terrorist attacks while 26 other defendants were given jail terms ranging from two to 15 years. Three of the 45 defendants in the so-called "Agadir terrorist cell" were acquitted and another one was fined 3000 dirhams (33 euros), a judicial source said on Saturday. The defendants, all from the southern city of Agadir, were accused of conspiracy to commit terrorist acts, offering lodging to a criminal, failure to denounce and attempt to collect funds to commit a terrorist attack. Prosecutors had requested heavy sentences for 12 of the defendants but said 23 others were considered less dangerous. The prosecution claimed the Agadir cell was part of the banned armed group Salafist Jihad, which is blamed for the 16 May attacks in Casablanca that killed 45 people. Defence lawyers had argued that their clients were innocent and pointed to the lack of evidence against them.
"Lies! All lies!"
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 11/23/2003 00:05 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  These are stiff penalties relative to other Islamic countries and even Europe. Willthey serve the full sentences, or does Morocco empty it's prisons each Ramaban?
Posted by: Super Hose || 11/23/2003 10:10 Comments || Top||

#2  Morocco is pretty tough when it comes to this. I doubt they'll be released anytime soon.
Posted by: Pappy || 11/23/2003 12:09 Comments || Top||



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