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The Grand Turk
Biden snubbbed during Turkey Trip
2016-08-25
From the minute he stepped off the plane on Wednesday, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden’s trip to Turkey seemed ill-fated.

Intended to smooth relations frayed by last month’s botched coup, Biden’s visit instead showcased acrimony with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Turkey sent low-ranking officials -- including Ankara’s deputy mayor -- to greet Biden at the airport. And even before the vice president’s visit ended, the Daily Sabah, a pro-Erdogan newspaper, declared that "Biden wasted a trip, Turkey wasted time."

Biden -- the highest-ranking U.S. official to visit Turkey since the coup -- was apologetic and conciliatory during his joint news conference with Erdogan. As the vice president spoke, the Turkish leader sat back in his chair, stone-faced.

Turkish animosity toward the U.S. ratcheted up after the failed coup on July 15, followed by a purge of thousands of soldiers, government officials and even teachers by Erdogan’s government. The Turkish government blames a self-exiled cleric living in Pennsylvania, Fethullah Gulen, for inciting the coup and has demanded his extradition.

Biden repeatedly offered condolences for the coup, sounding a different note than his boss, President Barack Obama, who chastised Turkish officials in July for spreading rumors that the U.S. was responsible. Biden called the coup’s perpetrators "terrorists," reflecting Erdogan’s language, and said, "I wish I could have been here earlier."

After Biden’s remarks, Erdogan called the relationship with the U.S. "a model partnership" but then accused Gulen of operating a global terrorist network from Pennsylvania and demanded that the U.S. immediately detain the preacher, in part to prevent him from being interviewed by journalists. At that, Biden put his face in his hands. His frustration showed through as he tried to explain the U.S. justice system and the Constitution’s separation of powers to his Turkish audience.

"God willing, there will be enough data and evidence to meet the criteria that you all believe exists," Biden said later. The White House spokesman, Josh Earnest, was asked during a news briefing happening at the same time if that remark meant the U.S. believes Gulen played a role in the coup. Earnest was left to walk back Biden’s remark.

"Look, I think the point that the vice president was making is that this is not going to be a decision that is made by the executive branch," the spokesman said.

For Biden, who places a premium on personal diplomacy, moments of friction are an inevitable byproduct. Senior administration officials acknowledged ahead of the trip that anything short of Gulen’s return would be a disappointment to the Turks, and said that raw feelings were understandable in the aftermath of a coup attempt that shook the people and leadership of the country.

Biden scored a minor diplomatic win when Prime Minister Binali Yildirim appeared to bolster the vice president’s emphatic proclamation the U.S. had no prior knowledge or role in the coup attempt.

"The frank statements by the vice president are very important to us," Yildirim told reporters at a news conference.

Even with the cool reception for Biden, cooperation between the U.S. and Turkey continued unimpeded in the battle against Islamic State. On the same day that the vice president visited, Turkish forces mounted an offensive in Syria against Islamic State extremists, an operation that the U.S. helped plan and supported with airstrikes, reconnaissance and intelligence.
Posted by:Pappy

#4  Gulen will be bundled onto a red-eye for Ankara before November, "Turkish desk" up-ended or not.
Posted by: Pappy   2016-08-25 13:46  

#3   So - will Obama bend over anyway and hand over Gulen in spite of this?
Posted by Raj


Quite unlikely. Under Turkish enhanced interrogation techniques, Gulen would spill his cadre of Turkiman contacts and the entire network would be kaput. We simply cannot have the Turkish desk upended like that.

Time must be provided Gulen to arrange an orderly transfer of responsibilities. When that is accomplished, he is free to retire to Boise or make his heavenly ascension.

If Gulen were being handed over, why take the risk of sending Joe? If Gulen were being thrown under the bus, a diplomatic cable would do. If other arrangements are contemplated, a private face-to-face is required. I'm holding out for other arrangements, possibly Swiss franks neatly stacked on a 463L pallet.
Posted by: Besoeker   2016-08-25 11:48  

#2  I saw part of Biden's speech on TV. He bowed down just about as low as he could. He was absolutely indignant about those bad, bad treasonous elements in the military who attempted the coup and, of course, the US had nothing to do with it. But not enough, huh? How low can you go, Joe?
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2016-08-25 11:44  

#1  So - will Obama bend over anyway and hand over Gulen in spite of this?
Posted by: Raj   2016-08-25 11:41