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| No matter how you crunch the numbers, this pandemic is only just getting started |
| 2020-04-16 |
| [The Guardian] - There has not been a lot of good news lately. But with the discharge of Boris Johnson from hospital on Sunday, and statements that the "peak" strain on the National Health Service would be over the Easter period, you might be under the impression that the storm is passing, and the Covid-19 pandemic will soon be a memory. Fueling this mood are reports from studies of communities already hit by the pandemic. At long last we are beginning to see the results of work looking for signs that people have already been infected, through the presence of antibodies against Sars-CoV-2, the virus which causes Covid-19. Some of this data suggests strongly that many infections may have passed unnoticed, with the only symptoms being mild things such as loss of the ability to smell and taste, and that as a result, more people may be immune than had been thought. Surely this is a sign that communities around the world can breathe a sigh of relief and start getting back to work? Unfortunately, it is nothing of the kind. ...An editorial in the British Medical Journal has reported data from China suggesting that as many as four in five cases of Sars-CoV-2 infection could be asymptomatic. It then goes on to quote people from the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine in Oxford, who say that if this is true "What the hell are we locking down for?" I wish those people would be brave enough to go and repeat that opinion in an ER in the Bronx right now, in which actual medicine is going on. Worrying about the exact rate of asymptomatic infection, or the currently unknown duration of immunity and a possible "second wave", is like politely applauding the performance in a jazz club and murmuring "nice" while the building is demolished around you and the piano player gets decapitated. Look at the data from S. Korea: they defeated the virus in the beginning of March and have a constant low rate of new cases. And, IMO, it's low because they maintain a system of extensive survey for new cases - a very big brotherish one, the kind that could not be used in the West. There have been more than 93,000 cases of Covid-19 identified in the UK. Let’s round that up and say it is 100,000. So if the reports from the BMJ editorial are accurate, the actual number would be that multiplied by five, in which case there would have already been half a million infections in the UK. If this really is the peak and we see as many cases on the way down as on the way up, that would total 1 million infections from the initial surge in the UK — hopefully all of those people would then be immune. That would leave about 65 million people in the UK still without immunity. I am going to be unusually optimistic here, and assume that everyone who has Covid-19 becomes fully immune (not a given), and that the virus is towards the less transmissible end of the range of estimates currently available. If this is the case, you would need half your population to have been infected to achieve a level of population immunity that would stop the epidemic continuing to grow and overwhelming healthcare systems. ...Governments around the world are attempting ways to keep jobs and businesses afloat while lockdowns are in place — but the pressure remains to swiftly end such shutdowns. I get that this is going to be a mammoth strain on the economy. But the deaths of many thousands of people would be too: it is simply not possible to thoroughly insulate an economy from the impact of a pandemic of this kind. Where I live, in Cambridge Massachusetts, I keep hearing sirens. This crisis is not close to over, quite the reverse. The pandemic is only just getting started. |
| Posted by:g(r)omgoru |
| #10 we do....don't marry her *To my room* |
| Posted by: Frank G 2020-04-16 21:35 |
| #9 And buy the time it takes to come up with a vaccine. As long as we have effective treatments, a vaccine is not necessary... though it would be awfully nice. We don’t have vaccines against headaches, after all. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2020-04-16 21:20 |
| #8 l has reported data from China Isn't that where we came in? Why should I put any credence in any stats from China or the modelers that drove this panic to begin with? |
| Posted by: AlanC 2020-04-16 15:29 |
| #7 ^Neither are the Laws of Nature. |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-16 14:05 |
| #6 Group punishment has never been just. |
| Posted by: Bright Pebbles 2020-04-16 13:58 |
| #5 And buy the time it takes to come up with a vaccine. |
| Posted by: gorb 2020-04-16 13:24 |
| #4 Maybe flattening the curve just prolonged the agony. Maybe you missed the point of 'flattening the curve'. It will prolong the agony as secondary and tertiary ripples occur. 'Hopefully' the peak of those ripples will not exceed the capacity of the healthcare to care for the victims. That is the intent. |
| Posted by: Skidmark 2020-04-16 11:42 |
| #3 ^And quarantine these who take care of the elderly and sick? |
| Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2020-04-16 11:28 |
| #2 Quarantine the elderly and sick, let the rest of us get on with it. |
| Posted by: Bright Pebbles 2020-04-16 11:22 |
| #1 More cheery news. Maybe flattening the curve just prolonged the agony. |
| Posted by: Bobby 2020-04-16 11:15 |