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Ethiopian 737 Max 8 Mystery – What About The Explosion? |
2019-03-15 |
[Red State] In a war or disaster, the first reports are often wrong or conflicting. In the case of the Ethiopian Airlines crash of the 737 Max 8, there are two very different reports. The first is that the loss of control that crashed the plane and killed all onboard was related to the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System ("MCAS") system that tragically appears to have caused the Lion Air crash last year. Indeed, early analysis indicates a similar pattern to the Lion crash indicating a struggle between the aircraft and crew. Yet the other report is the statements of several witnesses on the ground, as reported by Reuters, who reported loud noises, smoke streaming from the aircraft, as well as clothing and papers escaping from the plane before it crashed. From the Reuters story: "Half a dozen witnesses interviewed by Reuters in the farmland where the plane came down reported smoke billowing out behind, while four of them also described a loud sound. "It was a loud rattling sound. Like straining and shaking metal," said Turn Buzuna, a 26-year-old housewife and farmer who lives about 300 meters (328 yards) from the crash site.These two reports are entirely inconsistent. In the event of a MCAS or other-caused loss of control of the aircraft by the pilots, the plane would make no explosive-like sounds, nor would there be smoke and debris escaping from the aircraft. Ground witnesses would have observed an intact airplane dive steeply into the ground without explosive-like sounds. The statements of the ground witnesses appear consistent with a bomb or other explosion that opened the fuselage. A fire that caused an explosion or a bomb could plausibly damage data cabling, instrumentation and other electronics, making the cockpit controls inoperative or partially compromised‐perhaps approximating the symptoms of a MCAS-like failure or even triggering a MCAS failure-event by damaging a crucial sensor. The probability of both MCAS and explosive events happening simultaneously seems slim, however if the statements by the ground witnesses hold up to forensics investigations, and if as initial analysis shows, there was a MCAS-related loss of control, then this coincidence must not be ruled out. |
Posted by:Besoeker |
#15 Birdstrike made the MCAS go nuts? |
Posted by: james 2019-03-15 22:59 |
#14 FOD, Foreign Object Debris. Some Call it foreign object damage. Its tools, nuts bolts and garbage that is not supposed to be there. |
Posted by: 49 Pan 2019-03-15 21:56 |
#13 What's fod? |
Posted by: Bright Pebbles 2019-03-15 20:40 |
#12 also not to pile on the “Lazy B,” but the usaf stopped taking deliveries of the KC-46 tankers due to fod throughout the aircraft; mass quantities if reportsare true |
Posted by: USN, Ret. 2019-03-15 19:02 |
#11 The truth regarding PAN AM-103 might never have been known had it made it to the Atlantic. |
Posted by: Besoeker 2019-03-15 17:43 |
#10 So you could stack the deck if your targeted plane of choice were known on the desired routes. Interesting, USN, Ret. Insider stuff like this is just another reason why I love the 'Burg. As a connoisseur of How Stuff Breaks, I've noticed that catastrophic failures are usually due to a cascade of events rather than a single failure. As I understand, the MCAS was grafted on to the control system after some changes to the wing design made the plane squirrelly. We've seen a number of crashes where the autopilot is doing something inappropriate, usually in response to bad sensor data and the pilot is unable to regain control, whether from forgetting to turn off the automation, lack of experience, or just running out of speed/altitude. |
Posted by: SteveS 2019-03-15 17:33 |
#9 All you hardheads... Nobody's asking if the 'innovative' stall prevention code was outsourced? Does it live in other models? |
Posted by: Skidmark 2019-03-15 15:27 |
#8 To Steve S' point @5: Chance selection? Not so fast; Flightaware as well as other flight tracking apps will display the equipment used on a particular flight; current as well as historical. So you could stack the deck if your targeted plane of choice were known on the desired routes. Won't know the tail number but model/series. |
Posted by: USN, Ret. 2019-03-15 15:05 |
#7 I'll choose physical evidence over eyewitness reports. Evidently, so does the FAA. In the debris field the elevator trim jackscrew was found in the full-nose-down position. The crew and passengers never had a chance. |
Posted by: The peanut gallery 2019-03-15 14:47 |
#6 Nothing should be discounted at this point. |
Posted by: Besoeker 2019-03-15 11:06 |
#5 Masking a terrorist act (aircraft bombing) by selecting a single type of aircraft for 'mechanical failure'....? Hmm, interesting. Playing Devil's Advocate, that model is in wide use which could mean chance selection and terrorists generally like publicity as much as destruction. If this was a Tom Clancy novel, it would be Airbus engaged in corporate warfare. I wonder how much you could make on a Soros-ish stock manipulation? |
Posted by: SteveS 2019-03-15 10:51 |
#4 ^ Or vice versa? Confucius say, "Man who buy Boeing Still hungry, though maybe not knowing. Try order of pecking With two sides of wrecking, Wake up and hear Beijing duck crowing!" |
Posted by: Kojo Lover of the French7802 2019-03-15 10:44 |
#3 Masking a terrorist act (aircraft bombing) by selecting a single type of aircraft for 'mechanical failure'....? |
Posted by: Besoeker 2019-03-15 09:48 |
#2 The MCAS will not cause an explosion. However, an explosion can cause flight control failure. If something exploded, as the witnesses saw, tail control would most likely be an issue and that means loss of Pitch control. This could make them think its an MCAS failure, but in reality its not. This is going to get interesting. |
Posted by: 49 Pan 2019-03-15 09:43 |
#1 If an engine blew, the rattling would be metal grinding in the turbines, which rkcket tbe metal into the fuselage and suitcases resulting in clothing scattering. White smoke is the automatic fire suppression system coating the exploded engine. Engines are under greatest stress lifting the airliner from the ground to 30,000 feet. |
Posted by: Ebbavirt Clunk4147 2019-03-15 05:18 |