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Follow-on to Fred's Chemnitz piece: Germany: 6 people injured during violent far-right 'migrant crime related' protest
2018-08-28
[ABC] Germany's top security official offered to send federal assistance to the eastern state of Saxony on Tuesday following violence during a far-right protest in the city of Chemnitz that left at least six people injured.

The protest late Monday, sparked by the killing of a 35-year-old German man in an altercation with migrants over the weekend, erupted into clashes between neo-Nazis and left-wing counter-protesters. Opposition parties criticized police for failing to prevent the violence.

"The police in Saxony are in a difficult situation," Interior Minister Horst Seehofer said. "Should it be requested, the federal government will provide police support."

Green lawmaker Konstantin von Notz urged Seehofer to consider resigning, accusing him of fanning anti-migrant sentiment over the past year.

Von Notz told the news portal t-online.de that the violence in Chemnitz recalled events elsewhere in eastern Germany during the early 1990s, when authorities failed to stop far-right mobs from attacking migrants.

The German news agency dpa reported that Chemnitz police acknowledged having mobilized too few officers for the demonstration. Footage showed officers struggling to prevent far-right protesters breaking through police lines and demonstrators performing Nazi salutes and chanting "the national resistance is marching here!"

The state of Saxony has long been a hotbed of anti-migrant sentiment. The far-right Alternative for Germany party received almost a quarter of the vote in Chemnitz last year.

Chemnitz police said they have arrested a 22-year-old Syrian and a 21-year-old Iraqi on suspicion of manslaughter in the stabbing death of the German man after a street festival early Sunday. Prosecutors said the killing was preceded by a verbal confrontation that escalated.
Posted by:Besoeker

#8  The state of Saxony has long been a hotbed of anti-migrant sentiment.

I'm going to paint with a broad brush. In a nutshell, this is the issue with Saxony:

The state of Saxony is also the only eastern state where the Communist Party of East Germany hasn't held power at the state level since 1990.

Saxony is the part of the old Soviet zone that isn't culturally Prussian.

Saxons have a cultural affinity for freedom and individualism that is lacking in other parts of East Germany.

It was Saxon resistance that doomed plans for a reformed moderately communist GDR under new leadership in 1989/90.

This is why specifically Saxony is hated by a German political class which is dominated by a person who was raised as an unorthodox and very much Prussian communist.
Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660   2018-08-28 22:54  

#7  The state of Saxony has long been a hotbed of anti-migrant self-preservation sentiment
Posted by: Frank G   2018-08-28 14:57  

#6  #4 Danke
#5 Word
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2018-08-28 14:57  

#5  The crowd in general appeared to be more comfortable with violence and far less civil and polite than e.g. Pegida though.

When polite is not permitted to work, then impolite is the natural next step. More briefly, this is how you get more Trump.
Posted by: trailing wife   2018-08-28 14:19  

#4  Real Nazis or labeled as such by the press/authorities?

Here's a link to video footage of the spontaneus demonstration on 8/26 that was apparently instigated by a local football hooligan group.

There was another demonstration on 8/27 where 2000-10000 (according to different sources) rightist protesters were confronted by about 1000 leftist counter protesters.

The police is investigating 10 alleged incident of protesters showing the Nazi salute. Not all Nazi's are dumb enough to show the salute but on the other hand some saluters might have been agents provocateurs.

IMO real Nazi's did participate but they didn't dominate in any way.

The crowd in general appeared to be more comfortable with violence and far less civil and polite than e.g. Pegida though.
Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660   2018-08-28 13:45  

#3  between neo-Nazis and left-wing counter-protesters

Real Nazis or labeled as such by the press/authorities?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2018-08-28 12:49  

#2  You don't want the neo-Nazis to become more popular? Get rid of the Arabs.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2018-08-28 12:38  

#1  The relevant paradigm isn't 'criminality/law enforcement.'

This is a clash of cultures, a clash of consensuses about what is right and decent and about what is legal.

E.g. the main defendant in the Burgwedel stabbing has released a written statement to the public in which he declares that stabbing and killing a person by whom one was insulted is permissible according to his cultural customs.

He further states that his comportment was adequate according to the requirements of his religion and that he does not understand why he's been arrested.

To put it bluntly, the refugees believe themselves to be the lords and masters of a country that has surrendered to them and that the civilian population of said country has a legal standing lower than that of Dhimmies.

Some Germans and other Europeans disagree. Hence the clash of consensuses.
Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660   2018-08-28 12:07  

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