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| The Bear's Lair: China's coming Austrian collapse |
| 2018-08-14 |
| h/t Instapundit There is just one problem: China’s economic statistics are largely fictitious, and the gap between statistics and reality is growing ever larger. If the statistics are nonsense, then probably the economic power is nonsense as well. The most egregious flaw in China’s statistics is the savings rate. For decades we have been told that the Chinese people are extraordinary savers, with a savings rate of some 46% of GDP, according to the latest figures, compared with around 6.8% of GDP (Itself a figure recently and dubiously inflated by the Bureau of Economic Analysis) in the United States. Touchingly sentimental pictures are painted of the noble impoverished Chinese, earning one fiftieth of a Western wage but nevertheless saving nearly half of that pittance, seven times the American rate of saving, because of the country’s notorious lack of social services for the elderly. If China really had a savings rate of 46%, the economy would look quite different. There would be very little debt in the system; the banks would have a very low loans to deposits ratio and low leverage, like banks in nineteenth century Britain. Consumer debt would be almost non-existent, while the Chinese market would have an enormous variety of saving and investment schemes, to take care of all the accumulated wealth. New company formation would be very high, but "venture capital" would be very scarce, because new companies would be capitalized from the savings of the founders’ relatives and friends. Overall, China might well have a rapid growth rate, but it would be a very contented, stable economy. A recent Financial Times examination of China’s economy illustrates the problem; it shows consumer debt almost doubling as a share of GDP, from roughly 20% to 40% in the last five years and tells pathetic stories of young, highly educated Chinese who max out their credit cards, desperately hoping to boost their earnings sufficiently to pay that debt back. But Chinese elite youths brought up in a society with a 46% savings rate would have neither the desire nor the need for heavy credit card usage. First, they would have been brought up in families with a fanatical devotion to deferring consumption, so would regard the over-indebted Western Millennial lifestyle with undiluted horror. Second, because of their families’ savings habits, such elite youths would be beneficiaries of very substantial trust funds from their relatives, and so would have no need of credit cards. If the savings rate is fiction, then so are all China’s economic statistics. GDP is at least one third lower than claimed, to account for the missing savings, and growth rates over the last decades correspondingly lower, On the other hand, China’s foreign debt is all too real, and most of the domestic debt also appears to be solid, so China’ s gross debt, already alarmingly high at 299% of GDP according to the Institute for International Finance, is in reality about 450% of true GDP, substantially higher than that of any other country. With such a level of debt, China is not about to overtake the West, it is in imminent danger of collapse. Indeed, it is at first sight something of a mystery why it has not collapsed already under the weight of its excesses. |
| Posted by:g(r)omgoru |
| #5 Economics is not the forte of socialists (or recent socialist). Honest reporting of information up the autocratic/bureaucratic chain is about the same (about on par with our own Legacy Infotainment Enterprises). China’s foreign debt is all too real but manageable by the usual refusal to pay, amply demonstrated by other one party regimes. The question is can they re-capitalize themselves afterward without dependence upon international trade/commerce. |
| Posted by: Procopius2k 2018-08-14 19:09 |
| #4 Much of China’s investment in the last quarter-century, domestic and international, has been “malinvestment...... Is he speaking Austrian?? |
| Posted by: Bangkok Billy 2018-08-14 17:20 |
| #3 Ahhh, here it is - Austrian economists' Much of China’s investment in the last quarter-century, domestic and international, has been “malinvestment” in the Austrian economists’ use of that term; and must be liquidated for the economy to regain its health. |
| Posted by: Bobby 2018-08-14 16:02 |
| #2 Seriously, I suspect the reason spending is so high is that they're dealing with a vastly inflated real estate market where it's seen as the only real hedge against inflation available. |
| Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2018-08-14 15:48 |
| #1 Breaking commentary from B. Hussein 0: "I.. uh, read the whole, uh, excerpt, to the, uh, article, and I didn't see anything about the Austrian economy, uh, or even anything written in Austrian, which I can't speak... it seems like it was about China instead." |
| Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2018-08-14 15:44 |