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This Week in Guns, June 24th, 2017
2017-06-24


By Chris Covert
Rantburg.com

A couple of videos out by two different tactical companies, Max Velocity and Polenar Tactical, show two different tactics sets based on terrain. The first demonstration is based on a foot patrol encountering an armed enemy and how it reacts to contact.

The second video is a room clearing training video, basically close quarters combat in a built up area. Both have their uses for groups, but do not offer much about how to counter a shooter when you are the only one with a rifle.

The first video is applicable to the shootout in Virginia. The security detail was armed with pistols, but since the FBI is in charge of the investigation we will never know the details.

For as little as we do know about what happened, we do, or at least should know our political enemies are arming up and having murder put in their hearts by Hollywood and others. Both videos then show just exactly how you should react in a sudden firefight with an armed and hostile enemy.

Make no mistake, those bastards are coming hard for you and the politicians you elected. They are coming in a tactical sense and they will come for firearms, enlisting the unrestrained power of government, including the federal government to do so. Their hate for you, like their love for government, knows no limits and therefore their target list is not limited.

Loads.

Rantburg's summary for arms and ammunition:

Pistol ammunition prices were mostly steady. Rifle ammunition prices were mixed.

Prices for used pistols were mixed. Prices for used rifles were mixed.

New Lows:

.45 caliber ACP (M1911 Pattern Semiautomatic Pistol): Arizona: American Tactical Imports: $380

Pistol Ammunition

.45 Caliber, 230 Grain, From Last Week: -.01 Each After Unchanged (1Q, 2017)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Natchez Shooters Supplies, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .22 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: J&G Sales, Own Brand, FMJ, Steel Casing, .20 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (2Q, 2017))

.40 Caliber Smith & Wesson, 180 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Ammo Valley, Own Brand, RNFP, Brass Casing, Reloads, .18 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Ammo Valley, Own Brand, FMJ, Brass Casing, Reloads, .18 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (32 Weeks))

9mm Parabellum, 115 Grain, From Last Week: -.01 Each After Unchanged (4Q, 2016)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Patriot Outfitters Guns, Own Brand, FMJ, Brass Casing, Reloads .14 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: Outdoor Limited, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .14 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (9 Weeks))

.357 Magnum, 158 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (1Q, 2017)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Outdoor Limited, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .24 per round
Cheapest Bulk: 1,000 rounds: Outdoor Unlimited, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .24 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (4 weeks))

.38 Special, 158 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (7 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Highland Lakes Ammo, Own Brand, RN, Brass Casing, Reloads .24 per round
Cheapest Bulk: 1,000 rounds: Western Arms & Ammo, Own Brand, TMJ, Brass Casing, Reloads .24 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (2Q, 2017)

Rifle Ammunition

.223 Caliber/5.56mm 55 Grain, From Last Week: +.01 Each After Unchanged (6 Weeks)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: LAX Ammunition, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .21 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Outdoor Unlimited, Wolf WPA, FMJ, Steel Casing, .20 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (9Weeks))

.308 NATO 150 Grain, From Last Week: +.03 Each After Unchanged (1Q, 2017)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Defender Outdoors, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .35 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: J&G Sales, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .34 per round (From Last Week: +.02 Each After Unchanged (9 Weeks))

7.62x39mm AK 123 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (1Q, 2017)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Outdoor Unlimited, Wolf WPA, Steel Casing, FMJ, .20 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: Outdoor Unlimited, Wolf WPA, Steel Casing, FMJ, .20 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (1Q, 2017))

.30-06 Springfield 145 Grain. From Last Week: Unchanged (2Q, 2017)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Outdoor Unlimited, Wolf WPA, Steel Casing, FMJ, .54 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: United Nations Ammo, Wolf WPA, Steel Casing, FMJ, .54 per round (From Last week: Unchanged (1Q, 2017))

.300 Winchester Magnum 150 Grain, From Last Week: -.01 Each
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Selway Armory, Prvi Partizan, Brass Casing, SP, .82 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: Ammo Liquidator, Winchester, Brass Casing, SP, .87 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks))

.338 Lapua Magnum 250 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Bud's Gun Shop, Federal Eagle, Brass Casing, JSP, 2.35 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 200 rounds: Wholesale Hunter, Federal American Eagle, Brass Casing, HP, 2.34 per round (From Last Week: -.09 Each After Unchanged (3 Weeks))

.22 LR 40 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (6 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Ammo King, Aguila, RNL, .04 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Ammo King, Aguila, RNL, .04 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (6 Weeks))

Guns for Private Sale
Rifles


.223/5.56mm (AR Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $439 Last Week Avg: $435(+) ($616 (2Q, 2015), $435 (2 Weeks))
Arizona (184, 170): Mixed Build: $520 ($600 (23 Weeks), $450 (16 Weeks))
Texas (442, 430): Smith & Wesson: $450 ($700 (1Q, 2015), $350 (2Q, 2015))
Pennsylvania (224, 210): Anderson Manufacturing: $425 ($700 (2Q, 2015), $300 (3Q, 2015))
Virginia (277, 272): DPMS: $400 ($750 (1Q, 2015), $400 (2 Weeks))
Florida (651, 620): Anderson Manufacturing: $400 ($650 (2Q, 2015), $380 (1Q, 2015))

.308 NATO (AR-10 Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $788 Last Week Avg: $1,098(-) ($1,359 (2Q, 2015), $766 (4 Weeks))
Arizona (30, 28): DPMS: $900 ($2,300 (2 Weeks)), $650 (25 Weeks))
Texas (178, 164): DPMS: $700 ($1,500 (4Q, 2014), $700 (46 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (50, 48): DPMS: $790 ($1,600 (33 Weeks), $700 (3Q, 2015))
Virginia (81, 74): Unknown Brand: $800 ($2,750 (1Q, 2016), $750 (18 Weeks))
Florida (124, 113): DPMS: $750 ($1,950 (2Q, 1016), $500 (3Q, 2015))

7.62x39mm (AK Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $506 Last Week Avg: $499(+) ($668 (41 Weeks), $450 (3Q, 2015))
Arizona (28, 29): Romak: $630 ($900 (3 Weeks), $400 (8 Weeks))
Texas (139, 128): IO: $450 ($800 (1Q, 2016), $350 (3Q, 2014))
Pennsylvania (72, 66): Romak: $500 ($750 (1Q, 2015), $375 (1Q, 2015))
Virginia (72, 64): RAS-47: $450 ($700 (2Q, 2016), $350 (1Q, 2015))
Florida (143, 131): WASR-10: $500 ($700 (1Q, 2016), $300 (4Q, 2014))

30-30 Winchester Lever Action Average Price: $333 Last Week Avg: $355(-) ($495 (37 Weeks), $296 (3Q, 2015))
Arizona (14, 14): Marlin: $415 ($500 (221 Weeks), $200 (7 Weeks))
Texas (32, 24): Mossberg: $300 ($550 (1Q, 2015), $295 (7 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (21, 19): Marlin: $300 ($450 (1Q, 2015), $250 (4Q, 2014))
Virginia (17, 186): Marlin: $350 ($670 (2Q, 2016), $250 (4Q, 2015))
Florida (34, 30): Winchester Model 94: $300 ($500 (1Q, 2015), $250 (2Q, 2015))

Pistols

.45 caliber ACP (M1911 Pattern Semiautomatic Pistol) Average Price: $386 Last Week Avg: $432(-) ($525 (43 Weeks), $350 (4Q, 2015))
Arizona (112, 102): American Tactical Imports: $380 ($700 (8 Weeks), $380 (CA: $400 (25 Weeks)))
Texas (358, 326): Rock Island Armory: $450 ($600 (4Q, 2014), $300 (29 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (178, 171): Llama: $300 ($585 (7 Weeks), $300 (2Q, 2015))
Virginia (187, 181): Rock Island Armory: $400 ($600 (21 Weeks), $250 (4Q, 2014))
Florida (413, 413): Tisas: $400 ($500 (1Q, 2016), $250 (1Q, 2015))

9mm (Beretta 92FS or other Semiautomatic) Average Price: $236 Last Week Avg: $241(-) ($358 (1Q, 2016), $207 (7 Weeks))
Arizona (225, 202): Smith & Wesson SD9VE: $280 ($400 (13 Weeks), $240 (9 Weeks))
Texas (532, 504): EAA SAR K2P: $200 ($355 (1Q, 2015), $199 (9 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (350, 341): Taurus 24/7: $250 ($350 (4Q 2014), $150 (18 Weeks))
Virginia (330, 307): Diamondback DB9 EX: $200 ($425 (4Q, 2016), $189 (2Q, 2016))
Florida (771, 777): Taurus PT 908: $250 ($400 (1Q, 2016), $160 (7 Weeks))

.40 caliber S&W (Glock or other semiautomatic) Average Price: $300 Last Week Avg: $283(+) ($399 (1Q, 2016), $262 (2Q, 2016))
Arizona (67, 65): Smith & Wesson M&P 40C: $300 ($500 (23 Weeks), $220 (4 Weeks))
Texas (147, 143): Smith & Wesson SD40VE: $300 ($425 (4Q, 2014), $200 (27 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (107, 101): Smith & Wesson M&P 40: $300 ($450 (2Q, 2016), $200 (43 Weeks))
Virginia (85, 78): Smith & Wesson M&P 40: $300 ($450 (2Q, 2015), $275 (1Q, 2015))
Florida (158, 150): Taurus PT24/7: $300 ($400 (1Q, 2015), $199 (4Q, 2015))

Used Gun of the Week: (Missouri)
Uberti Silverboy Lever Action chambered in .22 LR
Posted by:badanov

#8  "Right now the Israeli tactical training firm Cherev Gidon has a nice special going in Penn, a 7 day camp which attempts to familiarize those without any military experience with weapons and tactics, including intelligence gathering."

Wish I'd seen this before Father's Day.
Posted by: Iblis   2017-06-24 15:35  

#7  Clearing the room video shows the first guy approaching the room with the sequential wedge view technique, but he does not seem to follow through enough, as he leaves a wedge unchecked at the end when he enters, and he could get killed. The perp would also die with the next guy entering the room and killing him.

From the limited training I had in room clearing, you do not do that unless you are rescuing a loved one. That is why cops use dogs in this operation if they can.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2017-06-24 13:34  

#6  Hope those guys didn't pay too much for that live-action training.

Tactical trainers charge between $250 and $500 per day, depending on location and what is being taught.

Right now the Israeli tactical training firm Cherev Gidon has a nice special going in Penn, a 7 day camp which attempts to familiarize those without any military experience with weapons and tactics, including intelligence gathering.

I'd go for it but for the lack of time off and the expense.
Posted by: badanov   2017-06-24 10:06  

#5  Hope those guys didn't pay too much for that live-action training.
Posted by: Skidmark   2017-06-24 08:51  

#4  Something a bit different.

Guns International.com -
HARRINGTON & RICHARDSON 60 REISING 45 ACP


Background article at this link.

Any similarity of the semi-auto Reising to the iconic Ruger 10-22 is purely coincidental.
Posted by: Besoeker   2017-06-24 08:15  

#3  Regarding Patrols: In WWII the US Army Cavalry in the South Pacific had a primary patrol and a corresponding backup. Immediately upon contact with an opposing Japanese small unit the patrol simply kept the enemy focused on them and just tried to stay alive while the backup moved in on the opposing unit. The small Japanese unit was then annihilated. The cavalry took no prisoners. This was a standard military tactic for all patrols.
Posted by: Elmaving Angolet7510   2017-06-24 07:54  

#2  First video is missing the "h" in the url.

Got the h in. :) Thanks for the heads up.
Posted by: badanov   2017-06-24 01:21  

#1  First video is missing the "h" in the url. Second video played just fine.
Posted by: Seeking cure for ignorance   2017-06-24 01:03  

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