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Trump rattles Europe by branding the NATO alliance ‘obsolete’
2017-01-17
Trump moves the Overton window again, and masterfully so. See below for a clinic on how he does it:
In an explosive interview with German newspaper Bild and The Times of London, Trump unleashed a volley of verbal attacks on Europe, hailing Britain’s decision to leave the European Union and saying more countries were going to quit the bloc.

“I said a long time ago — that NATO had problems. Number one it was obsolete, because it was, you know, designed many, many years ago,” he said. “Number two — the countries aren’t paying what they’re supposed to pay. I took such heat, when I said NATO was obsolete. It’s obsolete because it wasn’t taking care of terror.”
Trump states the obvious -- the elephant in the room. He then points out that he took heat for saying it but that's he right. Not only is all that true, but it now sets up the argument.
With fears growing in Europe over the US President-elect’s commitment to the transatlantic alliance and over signs he will pivot towards Russia, Merkel warned that the continent now had to take responsibility for itself.
Bingo! That's the point that Trump wanted to deliver. If he had said that it wouldn't have worked, but he got Merkel to say it for him.
“We Europeans have our fate in our own hands,” Merkel told reporters in Berlin when asked about Trump’s criticisms, adding that she will work towards getting the EU to strengthen the economy and fight terrorism.
Why yes, Angela, that would be useful wouldn't it? Trump couldn't say it any better -- get your economy going again and stand up to the thugs invading your country.
Germany’s foreign minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said Europe was stunned by Trump’s remarks on NATO, just five days ahead of the billionaire businessman’s inauguration as president.
Europe was indeed stunned, as people are when you point out that the Emperor is buck-nekkid...
“The interview statements of the American president-elect ... caused, indeed here in Brussels, astonishment and agitation,” Steinmeier said as he went from a meeting with NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg to talks with EU counterparts.
Precisely what Trump wanted. No need to pour oil on the water unless it's fuel grade and you intend to light it off...
France’s top diplomat Jean-Marc Ayrault said “the best response” to Trump’s comments was “the unity of Europeans”.
That would be nice, useful and absolutely novel...
NATO said it was “absolutely confident” that the US would remain “committed” to the organisation.
Until tomorrow's tweet...
Posted by:Steve White

#11  It will be easier to stamp out socialism with a large amount of firpower on location !
Posted by: Crinegum Ulaigum2776   2017-01-17 18:53  

#10  While we are at it move the UN to Rome. Within range of Israels fighter jets.
Posted by: Nero White 3083   2017-01-17 17:07  

#9  Some background from Marginal Revolution on rj's #8 : A bit of context on Trump, NATO, and Germany

tl;dr version:
1. Not too long ago, Germany did have a national leader, Gerhard Schröder, who in essence ended up as a paid agent of Vladimir Putin. After leaving office, he has spent much of the rest of his career working for Gazprom
2. It was Schröder who made the decision to take Germany off nuclear power and also to make the country energy-dependent on Russia
3. Germans today are some of the most anti-American people in Europe, and that doesn’t help the Atlantic alliance either.
Posted by: SteveS   2017-01-17 14:37  

#8  Read somewhere this morning that when the Germans cut their nuke program and began sucking on the Russian natural gas pipeline war between the two became nearly impossible. So if Germany is going to go along with Russia on everything for fear of the lights going out what is the point of of NATO?
Posted by: rjschwarz   2017-01-17 13:48  

#7  It's astounding to me the comments I'm getting from my Very Liberal Friends over this. Not too long ago they were complaining about how much money we were wasting by keeping a military presence in Europe. Now that Trump is saying the Europeans need to do more the narrative is, "Trump wants to abandon Europe to his Pal Putin".
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2017-01-17 12:07  

#6  The reason for NATO was succinctly stated as:

Keep the Soviets out;
Keep the Germans down;
Keep the Americans in.


How much of that still holds? And what should replace it?
Posted by: AlanC   2017-01-17 11:17  

#5  For background on how anti-Americanism developed, I highly recommend the late French philosopher-journalist Jean François Revel's book by the same name. An easy read -- he writes in the American style by choice -- but he makes it clear that prejudices dating back to before the colonization of the continent and class prejudice have much more to do with stated beliefs than actual facts. At one point it was available in a Kindle version, but now only on paper and audio, for some reason.
Posted by: trailing wife   2017-01-17 09:53  

#4  Merkel is a traitor.

trump withdrawing help from europe will fast track Marine Le Pen in France (GREAT) geert wilders, and whoever is their equivalent in germany. Pegida?
Posted by: anon1   2017-01-17 07:43  

#3  Fuck Europe. Let them choke on their own stink. They freeloaded on us, laughed at us for being such morons to spend our money on defense, and looked down on us for being violent redneck morons who worship the flag and George Washington like good little fascists. They demanded our troops get out. For decades now. They finally get what they wanted all this time, and NOW they're bitching and moaning about it? Europe is getting what it asked for, an America that's going to stop playing world police.

I finally really begin to understand just what anti-Americanism really means. It doesn't mean pro-social justice or pro-equality or any of those things. It just means find out what the Americans are doing and take the opposite view.
If the Americans want to dominate Europe, then that's bad and we need to criticize it. If the Americans want to go home and disband NATO, then we need to criticize that, too. It's such a hateful ideology, but I guess we Americans deserve it. We're bad people. We need to stop oppressing the world, and under Trump that's exactly what we're going to do.
Posted by: Thumper Dribble5791   2017-01-17 02:58  

#2  If he had said that it wouldn't have worked, but he got Merkel to say it for him.

Heh. Thereby avoiding the "Not Invented Here" issue.
Posted by: gorb   2017-01-17 01:05  

#1  With all the Islamists President Hussein has imported, we will have our own hands full here for decades to come...
Posted by: Jeremiah Bumble4132   2017-01-17 00:44  

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