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Why HRC plans for no-fly zones in Syria could provoke US-Russia conflict

2016-10-26

[Guardian] Retired senior US military pilots are increasingly alarmed that Hillary Clinton's proposal for "no-fly zones" in Syria could lead to a military confrontation with Russia that could escalate to levels that were previously unthinkable in the post-cold war world.

The former strategists spoke to the Guardian as Clinton’s Republican rival Donald Trump warned that Clinton’s proposal to establish "safe zones" to protect beleaguered Syrian civilians would "lead to world war three".

The proposal of no-fly zones has been fiercely debated in Washington for the past five years, but has never attracted significant enthusiasm from the military because of the risk to pilots from Syrian air defenses and the presence of Russian warplanes.

Many in US national security circles consider the risk of an aerial confrontation with the Russians to be severe.
Con't.

Posted by:Besoeker

#10 Too many actors with too many agendas to predict what might happen.

Posted by: phil_b 2016-10-26 19:26

#9 I have never understood why anyone thinks Syria is important enough to risk any war at all let alone a war with Russia.

Posted by: Abu Uluque 2016-10-26 12:53

#8 no fly zone could have worked back in 2012 or so before Russia committed its air power to the defense of Assad

not now - it would get too busy too fast in the airspace

Posted by: lord garth 2016-10-26 12:42

#7 Yeah not could, already was floated and pulled back because it will.

There are a couple other players in this game, too, one of which already shot down a Russian plane.

The air-defense assets Russia pumped into Syria were there, rather quickly, to prevent a strike on Assad himself. Syria is going to want to have its own no-fly zone at whatever distance they feel protects Assad/vital targets. These two NFZs will overlap.

Remember, we were going to war, maybe without a vote from Congress, until Kerry's butthole fell out of his mouth with the 'If Syria removes all of its chemical weapons' mistake = our salvation.

And having a safe zone, if you will, next to a country you are trying to overthrow is classic insurgency wins condition - really think Team Assad is going to like that?

Forget about speculation on other events, Hillary promised de facto War on Russia on national television as a campaign goal. This is not loose cannon potential conflict theory, campaign promise.

Posted by: swksvolFF 2016-10-26 11:00

#6 1. Hillary imposes no-fly zone.
2. Russians push into the no-fly zone by accident or to provoke.
3. Engagement leads to a plane going down.
4. Cyber-attacks take down the internet for days or weeks. Attacks are denial of service from DVRs and other internet of things.
5. Economy teeters in a scary way until Hillary pulls back forces and meekly apologizes.
6. Cyber-attacks suddenly stop.

That's the best case scenerio the way I see it.

Posted by: rjschwarz 2016-10-26 10:42

#5 3. Humiliating negotiations until we get the pilot back.

Unless an ISIS crazy gets the pilot and beheads him/or her on a vid. Benghazi did not bode well for anyone who might get captured--However, IMO this was an Obama leading-from-behind-thing prior to an election. Hillary is not Obama with his endless line-in-the-sand B.S. IMO Hillary is a bit psycho about being macho about anyone who opposes her--look for a show of super-balls b.s. Look for "I am dangerous, do not f*ck with this womyn bravado."--Unmuzzled and all restraints off.

Posted by: JohnQC 2016-10-26 10:30

#4 I think
(i) you confuse American ruling "elites" attitudes toward Muslims and Russians, Kozlowski.
In their eyes Muslims are erring children - and everybody knows that you don't hit children, you gently but firmly explain.
Russians, who used to be their idols - but betrayed progressive ideas by getting rid of communism, ate evil incarnate (worse then you know who).

(ii) You don't appreciate how crazy Hillary (especially if she gets away with all her crimes by becoming POTUS) is.

Posted by: g(r)omgoru 2016-10-26 09:20

#3 ...An NFZ would probably have these phases:

1. USAF vs Russian AF, with a lopsided victory for us.

2. We lose a bird, the pilot bails out, and is captured by the Russians/Syrians/God Only Knows What Brand of Islamic Nutcase.

3. Humiliating negotiations until we get the pilot back.

4. We bug out while insisting it's still a victory.

5. Hillary focuses attention on the economy.

Mike

Posted by: Mike Kozlowski 2016-10-26 06:04

#2 Could?

Posted by: gorb 2016-10-26 03:06

#1 So she and pimp daddy Obama gave up on ousting Assad? Not only that but Assad's son Hafez Bashar al-Assad will one day rule Syria as well.

Posted by: Groluger Munster5118 2016-10-26 02:35

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