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French Officials Criticizing ‘absence Of US Leadership’ Against Terror
2015-11-15
MSNBC Contributor and Washington Editor-at-Large for the Atlantic, Steve Clemons stated that French officials he had talked with criticized lack of US support against fighting terrorism, with one arguing that, “ISIS has been incubated for two years with an absence of US leadership, and that the United States needs to take the security of its allies more seriously” during MSNBC’s coverage of the terrorist attacks in Paris on Saturday.
Mr. Hollande: nothing is stopping you guys from stepping up to fight the existential war of your time. If you lead Champ might follow...
In response to a question about his conversations “with some French officials here in the United States expressing frustration about perhaps a lack of support from the US, in terms of France’s ability to fight this jihad.” Clemons said, “Well, the discussion I — was with French officials in Paris who were communicating this, and you know, in doing so, on a background basis, and on a personal basis, saying that one of the things that they’re facing is why did this happen, why did this happen? A lot of it has looked at their relation with the United States. I got an email this morning saying that’s not why, our proximity to Syria and all things Syria is profound and big, but he said the bigger part of this is that, for a variety of reasons, directly and indirectly, ISIS has been incubated for two years with an absence of US leadership, and that the United States needs to take the security of its allies more seriously, and it was a direct implication that we had not done and acted in a way to take action…he recognized in his email that I have a different view of that, that that’s not my view, but that — very clearly I sensed in these emails and the exchanges, frustration, tenseness, but also confidence. He said, we will prevail in this, but there was a real frustration and tenseness over that. And a frustration that — not only about what was happening and unfolding on the streets of Paris, but where it had come from, how it had been able to metastasize and to grow over the last two years.”

He added, “We may see within the next 24 hours some focus on Article 5 of NATO, and looking whether or not there will be a collective security commitment that we make, that almost compels us to move forward with a more muscular approach than we’ve given thus far.”
You might not want to invoke NATO right now -- doing so might show ISIS and the world just how run-down and impotent NATO has become.
Posted by:Steve White

#20  To paraph "THE SEARCHERS" Movie's late great WARD BOND = "GENUINE, GENUINE - SPELLED G-E-N-W-H-Y-N-N-E - GENUINE"!
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2015-11-15 23:32  

#19  More this sunny Guam AM ...

* LUCIANNE > [CNS.com] UN ESTIMATES UP TO 600,000 NEW MIDDLE EAST MIGRANTS WILL ENTER EUROPE IN NEXT FOUR MONTHS [Nov. 2015 - Feb. 2016 period].

* CNN > WHITE HOUSE: ISIS HAS AMBITION FOR US ATTACK, BUT LIKELY LACKS [the] CAPABILITY, to do so.

* WORLD NEWS > [IBT.com = Times of India] ISIS VIDEO THREATENS MORE ATTACKS ON FRANCE AS HOLLANDE BLAMES GROUP FOR PARIS ATTACK.


VERSUS

* LUCIANNE > [Washington Times] REPUBLICANS CALL ON OBAMA TO STOP CONTAINING, START DEFEATING THE ISLAMIC STATE.

* WORLD NEWS > [HuffPo] IFF THERE EVER WAS A TIME FOR GENUINE GLOBAL ACTION IN THE MIDDLE EAST, DESTROYING ISIS IS IT.

Yuuup, as I've been saying for a while now here on the "Burg + the Net.

As per Year 2030-2050.

But I digress ...
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2015-11-15 23:28  

#18  #5 Is France even still a member of NATO?

Never was. Didn't want to be. France is part of the political agreement, but not the defense agreement. This dude is talking out his ass about invoking Article 5. Inapplicable. NATO has no legal obligation to respond to attacks on France.

Which might be a good thing, as they don't have to wait around for anyone's cooperation or permission.

Now is no time to hold grudges, but for the record, I'm kinda thinkin fuck you, Frenchies, for denying use of your airspace when Reagan bombed Libya, and for making a stink over Iraq in 2003.
Posted by: RandomJD   2015-11-15 22:47  

#17  As for the "absence of US Leadership", POTUS Obama as a dedicated Anti-American Amerikan = Anti-US US OWG Globalist POTUS is doing it INTENTIONALLY.

How ironic that the Secular-happy US-World Lefties or Marxist-Socialists are the proverbial Tip-of-The-Spear in setting up ISLAMIST LEGAL SHARIA = MUSLIM/ISLAMIC COURTS + RESIDENTIAL ZONES?, ETC. in the US-West.

DON'T THANK THE PROPHET MOHAMMED, THANK INSTEAD KARL MARX + RELATED LEFTY ICONS FOR THE RISE, FINAL VICTORY? OF RADICAL ISLAM + GLOBAL NUCLEAR CALIPHATE.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2015-11-15 20:54  

#16  Iff the US, Britain includ Commonwealth, + Free French/EU have to re-fight the 1944 = 2034/2044?
"Battle of Normandy" to liberate now Islamist-controlled/dominated Europe, THEY MAY NOT WIN AGZ NUCLEAR MUSLIM NAPOLEON + CALIPHATE.

WHY? BECUZ IN 2015, ETC. US + WESTERN GLOBALISTS, ETAL. ALIGNED PRO-SECULAR MARXISTS-COMMIES-SOCIALISTS HAVE ANTI-US OWG-NWO + US-GLOBAL SOCIALIST ORDER AS THEIR PRIORITY OR FOCII, N-O-T NATIONAL SECURITY E.G. STOPPING THE ISLAMIST JIHAD.

The more Anarchy-n-Chaos in the US-West, THE BETETR FOR OWG-NWO + GLOBAL SOCIALISM.

Unfortunately, I'm not convinced that is Euro-style Democratic Socialism + related that is intended for the US-West, but poten HARDLINE = TOTALITARIAN SOVIETISM WHERE THE LATTER'S ADHERENTS, IDEOLOGUES, OR POLITICOS ARE PRESUMED TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL OR DEFEAT THE JIHAD AT ANY TIME, TO WHICH THERE IS NO EVIDENCE SUCH IS THE CASE OR WIDIN THEIR ABILITIES.

OWG + Socialism/Socialist Empire may indeed end up being anti-electorally imposed on the US-World, JUST NOT THE SOCIALISM OR -ISM(S) THE SECULAR LEFTIES HAD IN MIND.

OWG VEE THE GLOBAL CALIPHATE, N-O-T OWG VEE THE GLOBAL MARXIST-COMMUNIST SECUALAR STATE.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2015-11-15 20:45  

#15  OT follows

Oh, gather ye gats against autumn
And fire 'em all off if ya got 'em!
Octobrists and chartists
And coldhearted artists
Are keen by November to knot 'em.
Posted by: Zenobia Floger6220   2015-11-15 14:15  

#14  I guess we'll be seeing French defence spending climbing to the astronomical level of 2% of GDP. Until then, let me sleep.
Posted by: nimble spemble   2015-11-15 12:30  

#13   the United States needs to take the security of its allies more seriously, and it was a direct implication that we had not done and acted in a way to take action…

Um, not to be obnoxious, but 1941-2006 doesn't count?
Posted by: Pappy   2015-11-15 12:28  

#12  Hey, don't you remember? It was Baraq who started that whole Arab Spring thingy? Wasn't that leadership?
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2015-11-15 12:03  

#11  Obama's leading from his behind
Posted by: Frank G   2015-11-15 11:46  

#10  I meant the one "Fuck you, Americans! Uncultured, crass Americans! We hate all of you! Fu—the Germans are here! Hello, Americans! We love you"
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2015-11-15 10:05  

#9  Hahaha,
Robin Williams (the Gasper) with a belt around his neck! A perfect metaphor for these unnatural acts of powerless posturing.

Someone PLEASE, overREACT!
Posted by: Skidmark   2015-11-15 09:46  

#8  Odd... No mention of the open borders policy with regard to so-called refugees....
Posted by: CrazyFool   2015-11-15 09:36  

#7  Tens (Hundreds?) of thousands of untraceable small credit card donations to the Obama 2008 election campaign from Europe coming home to bite you? Damn, just yesterday it seemed you were complaining about that damn Cowboy Bush(tm).
Posted by: Procopius2k   2015-11-15 09:01  

#6  Where's that pic of Robin Williams?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2015-11-15 08:40  

#5  Is France even still a member of NATO?
Posted by: Silentbrick   2015-11-15 05:06  

#4  Any support for the anti-Assad rebels will disappear because Obama doesn't have the balls to defend them when most can't tell them from ISIS anyway. So without that Putin can roll over them and attack ISIS directly.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2015-11-15 03:08  

#3  A Franco-Russian mobilization is not unprecedented.

That would be an entertaining turn of events. If I were Vlad, I'd go for it because a) it needs to be done and b) it makes NATO look chumpish and feeble.
Posted by: SteveS   2015-11-15 03:03  

#2  He added, “We may see within the next 24 hours some focus on Article 5 of NATO, and looking whether or not there will be a collective security commitment that we make, that almost compels us to move forward with a more muscular approach than we’ve given thus far.”

That's a war warning.
A Franco-Russian mobilization is not unprecedented.
/Barb Touchman
Posted by: Shipman   2015-11-15 02:55  

#1  Would these be the same French officials that were all warm and tingly over Mr. Obama's election?

The Article 5 question is interesting. I'm guessing it won't come up seriously until there are a couple more major attacks. I'm gonna pick London and Spain.
Posted by: SteveS   2015-11-15 02:50  

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