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Windows 10 could prompt upgrades of 600 million aging PCs
2014-12-06
[NETWORKWORLD] Microsoft's Windows 10 is still in testing, but hardware makers can't wait for the day the OS replaces the controversial Windows 8.
Nobody seems sure what happened to Windows 9. Maybe it deflated to Windows 8.1.
Millions of PCs are aging, and those who have resisted Windows 8 will likely upgrade to computers with Windows 10. The initial reception to a test version of Windows 10 has been positive, as it resolves many usability issues affecting Windows 8.
I'm guessing that was because it wasn't Windoze 8.
There are about 600 million PCs that are four years or older, and those systems are ripe for upgrades, said Renee James, president at Intel, at the Credit Suisse Technology Conference on Tuesday.
I've got a Dell in my basement that used to serve the Burg. I haven't upgraded it. It still runs the latest version of Debian Linux.
"When we see a healthy macroeconomic environment and an aging installed base we expect a new [OS] deployment. The [PCs] are fantastic and at new price points. That's kind of a perfect storm, combined with a new OS, and the OS usually pushes the upgrade cycle," James said.
PCs are changing. Gloria still uses a desktop with Windows 7. The other machines in the house run Debian-family Linux. Most are laptops.
James is "very enthusiastic and optimistic" about what Microsoft is doing with Windows 10.
I'm very optimistic about having a stable operating system.
"They're being extraordinarily responsive to customers," James said.
Telling the customers zackly what they need.
All major PC makers are expected to support Windows 10 when it is released early next year. Hardware makers are already customizing drivers and products for Windows 10. Advanced Micro Devices' new PC chip, code-named Carrizo, will take advantage of new features in Windows 10. The chip maker is expected to detail those features early next year.
Hmmm... tail-dog dichotomy...
Dell has found that Windows 10 provides a consistent user experience and solves usability issues plaguing Windows 8 users, said Neil Hand, vice president of tablets at Dell, in an earlier interview.
"Help desk!"
"I got a usability problem!"
"What's that?"
"It don't work!"

The upcoming OS will let users run the same programs on mobile and desktop devices. That solves a Windows 8 problem, which prevented a large number of programs from working across devices.
"It don't work? How old's yer box?"
"A year."
"Sell it in an antique shop and buy a new one!"

"The ability to create applications that are super-scalable from phone to tablet to PC is the big step in a lot of ways," Hand said.
I try not to be obnoxious when it comes to Linux. But...

  • Linux isn't graphics-based. You can set it up in server mode without the mouse-driven overhead.

  • For the desktop, you've got lots of choices. That's because the graphical part runs on the operating system, instead of being the operating system. Ubuntu decided the world needed Unity, their new GUI. I hate it even more than I dislike Windoze. Instead I use xfce, which is faster, better-looking, and to my mind more logically organized. If I get bored I can switch to a half dozen alternatives, including KDE, which is like Windows XP after four years at the gym.

  • It's free. Go to the Ubuntu website and download the latest version. There's noplace to pay. If you're determined to pay for something, buy Red Hat. Or buy a support contract. Or send me the money.

  • The software's free. I was in Best Buy yesterday and I heard a salesman explaining to an old couple--old to me, and I'm old!--how to subscribe to Micro$oft Orifice. I didn't barge in and tell them to save their retirement dollars and download Libre Office or Apache Open Office, both of which are free--and available in Windoze versions.

  • It's secure. I don't have McAfee or Norton or some other antivirus. We have Clam AV--also free--on the Burg server, but I don't know if it works or not. Hackers are a lot more problem than virii. KBK (bless his heart!) told me how to limit secure shell access when we first switched to Linux, so DDOS is more problem than hackers. I don't have antivirus on my Linux boxes at home.

  • Updates are automatic and seldom require a restart.

  • Windoze 10 is going to allow multiple desktops. Once you use them, you'll wonder how you got along without them. I usually use four of them by subject matter. I run music in one--I like opera and ballet. I've always got the Burg open in one, a file manager in another, usually graphics, the command line, the database and/or the Burg file manager in another, and most of the time a programmer's IDE--I use geany. Linux memory seems better managed than Windoze, so the system slows down when the wireless network takes a hit, not when too many windows are open.

  • It's easier to use than Windoze. I know that sounds dumb, since it's so much more stable, more versatile, etc. But the user experience is like the Mac (based as it is on a Unix system); everything just works. You can explore and play and fiddle with it, but you can also use it "out of the box" and clickety-click and typetty-type to your heart's content with logging in the most complicated step of your session.

  • By this point Microsoft has collaborated with hardware manufacturers to try and keep Linux off machines. The old BIOS has been replaced by UEFI, which is BIOS locked down against anything but Windows. Last laptop I bought, I called Asus and asked how to install Linux. The guy said he couldn't tell me that. I figured it for myself after trying to use Windows 8.1 for a week. It's not hard, just hidden. Next time your Windows hangs after your kid visits a games site or your home page becomes Coupon Shopper Deals Buddy email me and I'll tell you how to do it.
Posted by:Fred

#14  Linux bloat is easier to control. Debian lets you choose what goes into it. You can install Ubuntu server, then add GUI, office programs, whatever you need. Puppy Linux is still around; it's 128mb and can run entirely in memory. It makes old machines young again. Lots of people run Centos, which is Red Hat without the support contract. I beleve Puppet handled all the remote config at my last place of employment.
Posted by: Fred   2014-12-06 23:15  

#13  Oh, and try the i3 window manager. Gnome is bloat.
Posted by: KBK   2014-12-06 23:10  

#12  I have two boxes I built 10 years ago running the latest Debian with no problems.

I decided to upgrade one of them, because I wanted to use virtualization, and that required a new processor. Which required a new mainboard. Which required a new power supply. In the end only the (really fine) case and the DVD writer survived. The new machine is a beast, four CPUs, 16GB RAM, running LVM on top of 2TB of RAID6 (I don't collect multimedia but it's easy to seamlessly add more LVM volumes if I should ever need more). It should last another decade. In all that time, I never reinstalled Debian on either box.

With Windows and Mac, some piece of software is always asynchronously nagging me to upgrade it - a real waste of time. With Debian, it all happens at once, mostly in the middle of the night, with no input needed from me. It's a smooth transition from release to release.

I use a Mac Air laptop with real MS Office and Adobe for business and browsing. Very good for multimedia and redirecting the screen to my Apple TV, etc. But one of these days, not too far off, Apple is going to tell me it's too old to run their snazzy new OS XIV. At that point I'll probably nuke the Mac stuff and run BSD on it.

I only use Windows for TaxAct (much better than TurboTax) and the sadly discontinued Flight Simulator, which I use to fly a DC-3 (dc3airways.com).

When buying a new machine or mainboard, the first thing to check is to be sure the UEFI is open.

I'm getting a Novena for Christmas. Totally open and libre hardware and software - schematics, PCB layout, boot code, Debian Linux. An amazing thing:

Novena

Play the vid and check the 20 updates for the specs and all the crazy goodies that come with it. Eat your hearts out!

This is the way the free hw/sw movement will go. If you want a multimedia viewer that talks with your phone and video equipment, get a Mac. If you want a hacker's computer, get a Novena. If you want a server, just use Debian on some old hw. Or spin up a few Debian instances on DigitalOcean.com.
Posted by: KBK   2014-12-06 23:02  

#11  I'ma Altiris guy, but I will look at this Tivoli package.
Posted by: Shipman   2014-12-06 18:44  

#10  Download Debian linux here
Posted by: 3dc   2014-12-06 15:47  

#9  Chromebook is perfectly satisfactory for 90% of PC users.

No messing around installing, upgrading, or rebooting after a crash.

It does run short of memory after a few weeks though.
Posted by: phil_b   2014-12-06 14:27  

#8  I liked that pocket TRS-80. Somebody must have spilled something on it one day, though.

One little problem with both Linux/Windows is feature bloat. What used to be adequate hardware becomes way too small after a while. At least with Linux there are options.

I dunno about re-imaging 400 desktops, though. I don't handle our server farm, but puppet seems to work pretty well for configuration.
Posted by: James   2014-12-06 13:34  

#7  This article should have a graphic of a hamster in a wheel. Microsoft, HP, Dell, etc. must keep forcing you to upgrade or else their revenue stream will stop flowing.

I don't mind (too much) paying for software. After all, I am a programmer and I can understand why programmers want to get paid. It helps them put food on the table.

But I don't see Windows getting better with each new version, only more and more bloated. I'd rather pay RedHat for a support contract.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2014-12-06 12:41  

#6  You're always gonna be stuck with a machine your predecessor used to browse the seedier parts of the web and that the tech support guy had to put more stuff on top of to deal with the stuff your predecessor accumulated in the first place...
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2014-12-06 09:47  

#5  With my current job I have to go back and forth between linux and a windows box.

Windows isn't intrinsically more difficult to use. The problem comes when you have to figure out the anti-virus the tech support person put on the machine, because it automatically hides/sequesters files for me when I take the thumb drive out of my linux laptop and plug it into the windows desktop. Randomly.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2014-12-06 09:46  

#4   Not anti-Linux (we have it on some of our servers.) But show me the Linux version of SCCM. Then we'll talk.

Tivoli. Written in perl
Posted by: badanov   2014-12-06 09:35  

#3  Setting up a UEFI rig for dual booting Windows and Linux is a royal PITA
Posted by: badanov   2014-12-06 09:30  

#2  Not anti-Linux (we have it on some of our servers.) But show me the Linux version of SCCM. Then we'll talk.
Posted by: Pappy   2014-12-06 09:29  

#1  Is there a product that can remotely re image 400+ Linux desktops overnight?
Posted by: Shipman   2014-12-06 04:39  

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