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| Hunt For Red October Is Over |
| 2014-10-24 |
| STOCKHOLM – Swedish authorities called off their weeklong search for a suspected submarine in the Stockholm archipelago Friday, saying the presumed intruder had probably escaped into the Baltic Sea. Naval and amphibious forces were ordered back to base, while some ground forces remained in the search area, military officials said. "We assess that the (vessel) that violated our waters has now left," Rear Adm. Anders Grenstad said. I have a question for the Navy guys out there - how can a sub get out of there without being detected by sonar? Wouldn't any type of propulsion give it away, or am I missing something? |
| Posted by:Raj |
| #6 Yokay, I'll bite, once again wasn't this mystery sub identified on the MSM-Net as "Dutch"??? |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2014-10-24 20:37 |
| #5 further on Pappy's: no dedicated shipbased ASW assets except on the small boys. the SH-60Fs from the carriers are now multimrole (read logistcs/ vertrep/ seal insertion) and there have been no fixed wing ASW since the S3 Vikings were retired. they are in the boneyard and could be ready to go if the political will were there. battle groups protected by the few small boy helos and land based P3/P8 |
| Posted by: USN, Ret. 2014-10-24 18:48 |
| #4 It's a large shallow area with horrific profiles. Active sonar assets were too few to cover. Dipping sonar was not available. Over the course of the week maybe a few non-Swedish vessels got a listen for future reference and perhaps a track in, out. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2014-10-24 16:25 |
| #3 How hard would it be to setup a SOSUS line in the Baltic? |
| Posted by: Sninerong Hupinemble5552 2014-10-24 15:48 |
| #2 Thanks, Pappy! |
| Posted by: Raj 2014-10-24 14:55 |
| #1 Raj, IIRC that area is not exactly ideal for ASW work. The area is an archipelago. Lots of channels and places to hide. The bottom is essentially rock-flow. The currents and water temps are ideal for subs to mask themselves. Swedish ASW capabilities have also deteriorated. It has no ASW helicopters. Its ASW-capable ships are limited in number. ASW is a difficult art. You have to keep up on it, constantly. Sweden (and the USN for that matter) hasn't. |
| Posted by: Pappy 2014-10-24 14:43 |