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This Week in Guns: October 18th, 2014
2014-10-18


Chris Covert
Rantburg.com

The ebola disease crisis will be with us for years. Since the disease takes so long to incubate and because your average citizen does not look beyond his/her immediate needs, this will be an ongoing crisis. Hope I am wrong.

Nevertheless, with the onset of the crisis you may (or may not) have noticed that the Mandarins and their stenographers have dropped global warning for now and are now focusing on gun control.

That's right. People may be dying of the most horrific pathogen in decades, but as long as the fascists can keep pressing for theft and murder of their fellow citizens, well, that's a sacrifice everyone else but the fascists will be forced to make. Ammunition is cheap for the moment and that is the shining light in this darkness.

According to BearingArms.com, the Walmart in Ferguson, MO took firearms and ammunition off their shelves for fear of a riot. They effectively disarmed a town under the threat of violence by closing their firearms sales down. Some of you may object, saying it is a common sense thing to do given the tenor of the actors in Ferguson, but common sense is how gun rights are being eroded by the terminally fascist. If you want to make money selling firearms and ammunition, at least have the decency to sell to everyone who has the money. Don't take away a basic necessity out of fear. Fear just drives more incidents, which drives more fear.

Connecticut Governor Dannel P. Malloy insulted school teachers and the Mossberg & Sons firearms company. If you can guess which one he later apologized to, you win a free year's subscription to This Week in Guns.

Housekeeping: I am adding some more statistics to the used firearms category. At the end of the line for each class of firearms will be two notations which will indicate the high average price on the left and the low average price on the right. The same for each state. As the price shifts up or down (or stays the same) a numeral will be added to the number which was not affected by the shift. Eventually, we will get to see how many weeks a price high or low changed, and see how high or low a price has been to help give another idea on what is happening to used firearms prices. I hope it won't clutter up the display too much, but we will see.

Why am I doing this? I minored in economics and I used to write sports, so I breathe statistics, sorta.

Loads.

Rantburg's summary for arms and ammunition:

Prices for pistol ammunition were mixed, while prices for rifle ammunition were mostly lower.

Prices for used pistols and used rifles were mixed.

Pistol Ammo

.45 Caliber, 230 grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Munire USA, Tulammo, steel cased, .30 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Lucky Gunner, Tulammo, steel cased, .30 per round (From Last Week: +.01 Each)

.40 Caliber Smith & Wesson, 180 grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: SOWW Armory, Summit, FMJ, Reloads, .22 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: The America Marksman, Unknown Brand, reloaded, .23 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (7 Weeks))

9mm Parabellum, 115 grain From Last Week: -.01 Each
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Selway Armory, BVAC), Steel Cased, Reloads, .19 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: High Country Ammunition, Store Brand, Reloads, FMJ, .19 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (6 Weeks))

.357 Magnum, 158 grain, From Last Week: +.03 Each
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Outdoor Unlimited, Independance, JSP, .39 per round
Cheapest Bulk: 1,000: LAX Ammunition, LAX Ammunition, Reloads, FMJ .34 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks))

Rifle Ammunition


.223 Caliber/5.56mm 55 grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt, Tulammo, steel cased, .23 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt, Brown Bear, steel cased, .22 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks))

.308 NATO 145 grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt, Silver Bear, steel cased, .41 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: SG Ammo, Silver Bear, steel cased, .45 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (18 Weeks)(!))

7.62x39 AK 123 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (4 Weeks)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Smokey Mountain Munitions, Wolf, steel case, .21 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt, Brown Bear (Barnaul), steel case, .22 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks))

.22 LR 40 Grain, From Last Week: -.02 Each
Cheapest, 50 rounds (Limit 4 Boxes): Ammomen, Remington, RNL, .08 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds (2 Box Limit): Munire USA, Federal, .10 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks))

Guns for Private Sale
Rifles


.223/5.56mm (AR Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $580 Last Week Avg: $600 (-) ($580, $600)
California (210, 215): Palmetto State Armory: $600 ($600, $600)
Texas (315, 314): Bushmaster Carbon 15: $600 ($600, $600)
Pennsylvania (170, 174): Kel-Tec: $600 ($600, $600)
Virginia (224, 217): Roggio Arsenal AR-15.: $600 (2 Weeks) ($600, $600)
Florida (388, 388): Bushmaster XM15-E2S $500 (!) ($500, $500)

.308 NATO (AR-10 Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $978 Last Week Avg: $953 (+) ($978, $953)
California (53, 56): Smith & Wesson M&P10: $1,000 ($1,000, $1,000)
Texas (63, 64): DPMS LAR308: $1,000 (Same Gun (4 Weeks)) ($1,000, $1,000)
Pennsylvania (37, 35): Bushmaster ORC: $990 (Same Gun (2 Weeks)) ($990, $990)
Virginia (55, 62): DPMS LR308: $900 (!) (Same Gun (7 Weeks) ($900, $900)
Florida (76, 83): DPMS LAR-8: $1,000 (Same Gun (4 Weeks)) ($1,000, $1,000)

7.62x39mm (AK Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $513 Last Week Avg: $544 (-) ($544, $513)
California (55, 54): WASR: $550 (Same Gun (2 Weeks)) ($550, $550)
Texas (79, 75): IO: $615 ($615, $615)
Pennsylvania (54, 54): Romak: $575 (Same Gun (2 Weeks)) ($575, $575)
Virginia (81, 83): Czech VZ2008: $525 (Same Gun (2 Weeks)) ($525, $525)
Florida (116, 111): Romak: $300 (!) ($300, $300)

7.62x54mm (Dragunov Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $1,017 Last Week Avg: $1,017 (=) ($1,017, $1,017)
California (0, 0): None Available
Texas (2, 2): Romak PSL: $1,200 (Same Gun (4 weeks)) ($1,200, $1,200)
Pennsylvania (0, 0): None Available
Virginia (2, 2): Romak PSL: $650 (!) (Same Gun (6 Weeks)) ($650, $650)
Florida (2, 2): Romak PSL: $1,200 (Same Gun (4 Weeks)) ($1,200, $1,200)

Pistols

.45 caliber ACP (M1911 Pattern Semiautomatic Pistol) Average Price: $406 Last Week Avg: $406 (=) ($406, $406)
California (193, 179): Rock Island Armory: $380 (Same Gun (6 Weeks)) ($380, $380)
Texas (235, 226): Rock Island Armory: $450 (Same Gun (2 Weeks)) ($450, $450)
Pennsylvania (127, 135): Rock Island Armory: $375 (Same Gun (4 Weeks)) ($375, $375)
Virginia (170, 170): Para Expert: $400 (Same Gun (3 Weeks)) ($400, $400)
Florida (386, 383): Llama: $425 (Same Gun (4 Weeks)) ($425, $425)

9mm (Beretta 92FS or other Semiautomatic) Average Price: $335 Last Week Avg: $325 (+)

California (163, 165): Sig Sauer P250: $300 (Same Gun (4 Weeks)) ($300, $300)
Texas (275, 278): Smith & Wesson SD9VE: $350 (3 Weeks) ($350, $350)
Pennsylvania (205, 218): Glock 26: $350 (Same Gun (2 Weeks)) ($350, $350)
Virginia (242, 265): Glock 26: $350 ($350, $350)
Florida (466, 446): Ruger P89: $325 (Same Gun (3 Weeks)) ($325, $325)

.40 caliber S&W (Glock and other semiautomatic) Average Price: $315 Last Week Avg: $316 (-) ($316, $315)
California (87, 93): Smith & Wesson SD40VE: $350 (Same Gun (3 Weeks)) ($350, $350)
Texas (159, 153): Sig Sauer Pro 2340: $350 (Same Gun (2 Weeks)) ($350, $350)
Pennsylvania (139, 152): Smith & Wesson SD40VE: $300 ($300, $300)
Virginia (118, 130): Smith & Wesson SD40VE: $300 (Same Gun (4 Weeks)) ($300, $300)
Florida (215, 232): Smith & Wesson SD40VE: $275 (!) ($275, $275)

Used Gun of the Week: (Colorado)

Ruger Last Cowboy Vaquero Chambered in .45 Long Colt

Chris Covert writes for Rantburg.com. He can be reached at grurkka@gmail.com
Posted by:badanov

#7  "got looked at like I had a Shatner mask on"

.Pure.Poetry.
Posted by: BrerRabbit   2014-10-18 20:20  

#6  Clarification :
Play: darts, horse, fastest trigger, BSn stuff.

Range: Let me start by saying I'm not the dude from Tremors. I do approach Range Time by spending a deal of time considering why I would fire in anger, and I keep that in mind every shot, but I don't know if that is ultimately right until I would unfortunately have to do such a thing.

SHTF: not repelling the regulars in Concord, simply coming home and finding the back door open, or like last night hearing a patrol car zoom by, then hearing people running through the alley. Game time, my thoughts centered around family and castle, hesitations such as guilt, and harm, other nerves dealt with before Range.

To paraphrase, if I walk into the store and somebody is stabbing my employee, the context of our relationship is already established.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2014-10-18 14:25  

#5  badanov, your articles are excellent, and the question you pose had me straddling the electric fence without rubber boots.

Friend introduced me to clays. I was in Lawrence KS, aka Berkley-on-Kaw, decided that I was tired of borrowing other peoples' shoes to play basketball so to speak. Went to Wal Mart, asked where their firearm section is, got looked at like I had a Shatner mask on. Found a mom and pops, they were more than happy to commerce, gentleman asked me the what fors and helped me make a selection, plus necessary accessories.

I don't have a problem with businesses steering their own ship, the market will provide. Now, IIUC, that shop has closed and no others have filled that gap, which leads me to believe that the city council has something to do with it (no new firearm stores), that I have a problem with.

Now Kansas City Cabelas isn't complaining, but not everyone has the ability to drive 30 toll booth miles one way. It creates a black market.

If you have never walked into a parking lot full of drunk 250lb+s looking to kick the ass of the next person through, and the next person was you, it gets your attention.

Second, knew a guy who liked to go to people's parties and pick fights. He came from a neighborhood where people were armed. He saw Berkely-on-Kaw as unarmed, so he figured he could get away with it, especially the hippies.

Third, knew a hippy who delt unicorn farts. At the end of the day he had something in his bedroom, sitting on $x illegal goods. Its what makes that line in Lock Stock 2 Barrels one of my favorites, by Rory Breaker, "You. Don't. Say."

Hippy should not have been sold a firearm, not because he was going to ventilate a house, but because he would look for his car keys to ride his bike. In a way, it is the same logic the Fed is using to justify keeping Ebola flights open, so the Fed can keep track of who was where, yet trying to shut down firearm dealers because that will end gun violence. Throw that pretzel in their milk.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2014-10-18 14:07  

#4  Thnx, FrankG and SteveS. Good enough and thnx swksvolff
Posted by: badanov   2014-10-18 12:30  

#3  Thanks bad, good stuff.

If I were a good guy in or around Furgeson, I would be three moves ahead already. As with alcohol, there is a certain level of responsibility with selling ammo, and it includes an age check. I do not disagree, as range time (ranges which let you use your own ammo instead of requiring house ammo, number of reasons for each argument, the best for house ammo being some yahoo bringing AP ammo blasting holes in targets/backstop) chews up a stockpile.

If I had a store selling ammo, it is my prerogative to sell or not sell, that isn't in question, and mobs were threatening to loot my store, I'd have that sT locked up, maybe have empty boxes for display, after ID check have it ready for them after checkout. Right of refusal of business, if Doggy G or Sloop John B or whatever the gang stars are calling themselves shows up with pants on the ground, sorry chuck all out of that caliber. Could also go speakeasy, no display.

Employee told a story about customer who came in, pulled revolver out of pants, flung it around like a stuck booger, and asked what caliber ammo he needed. He was told the caliber needed for you to get your ass out of this store. That, is a good employee.

Anecdote - and word of mouth for what it is worth - Wal Mart in Dodge City KS pulled its firearm line shortly after the Belcher murder/suicide. Other businesses jumped in the gap and made bank. That Wal Mart tried to get back into the market and as far as I know has not recovered. Best guess is that shoppers may have had to spend and extra 2%-3%, but had a better experience with knowledgable retailers over bar code swipers.

I have three stacks - play time, range time, and SHTF, and use them in that order. If I were to test myself on SHTF, I would buy additional test supplies rather than use that pile.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2014-10-18 11:38  

#2  If I have the Ferguson Walmart story correct, they did not stop selling ammo. They took it off the displays and locked it up in back. You could still buy it but had to ask a clerk for assistance. Given the both the current civil unrest (aka violent mobs) in Ferguson and the propensity for rioters and flash mobs to strip store shelves, this seems rather sane. Especially since the 'protesters' have been targeting Walmart.
Posted by: SteveS   2014-10-18 10:41  

#1  yeoman work, Bad
Posted by: Frank G on the road   2014-10-18 10:15  

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