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Vegas cop killers tried to join militiamen at Bundy ranch.
2014-06-10
Precisely why these militia movements are so very dangerous.
Mike Vanderboegh recounts in April how this couple was turned away from the Bundy Ranch on his recommendation. I can't find his version of events in his blog, and he doesn't reference it in his comments on the identity of the couple. Going by memory, Oathkeepers had set up a table to interview entrants into the camp when the Millers showed. According to Vanderboegh, he was uncomfortable with their presence, the man was toting a weapon even though he was a felon. On Vanderboegh's recommendation they were given some gas money and asked to leave which they did.
As you may recall, subsequent to that when Cliven Bundy made his remarks, a number of presumably conservative Golden Throats denounced the entire enterprise as intolerably racist and in the thrall of white supremacists, as if such a connection destroys the incident the same way any similar event would taint the left when they do it. It does not but in the mind of those who believe what they are told and not what they see.
This is not a battle for votes or a public relations battle. This is a war against tyrants and accusations of racism is part of the tyrant's arsenal.

Says Vanderbough :

Just got off the phone with Jerry Delemus, the head of the outer security operation the day that these folks were turned away. These people looked to me like the couple we turned away and Jerry confirmed it. He is positive on the ID. Based on the first images i saw, I was initially hesitant to make a positive ID, although they looked a lot like the folks I remembered. But both Jerry and Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers got a better look the pair of them than I did and while I haven't been able to reach Stewart, Jerry is convinced.

Thus, although they had been down below at the "fruits and nuts" camp for a couple of days (at least since the 14th) and had been interviewed by the media, the interview was done on the property (not owned by the Bundys) below the outer security area where we were a couple of days later when they ventured up to volunteer. The important thing, since the media are already tarring the Bundys with the "association" is:

a. The two of them never got on the Bundy property (not even the outer security camp was on Bundy property).

b. To my knowledge they never met the Bundys.

c. On my recommendation, they were turned away by both Jerry & Stewart.

If the media wishes to make the "Bundy connection" with that set of facts, they are simply parroting a regime narrative absent reality.
Posted by:Besoeker

#6  The couple was basically a couple of very screwed up, kill-crazy psychopaths--much like the guy who shot up the theater in Colorado awhile back.
Posted by: JohnQC   2014-06-10 18:27  

#5  If these dumb psychos are Sovereign Citizens, I am not surprised. I have observed these folks and have had to deal with them personally a few times. The group is a conglomeration of thugs with personality disorders, sprinkled with flat out lunatics. People who think they are just "riled up patriots" do so at their own peril. They are anything but patriots.
Posted by: Sgt. D.T.   2014-06-10 11:19  

#4  Mods: Thanks for removing the 'snark' annotation.
Posted by: Besoeker   2014-06-10 09:15  

#3  Telegraph headline makes it sound like the Tea Party is socialist, they really have gone downhill.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2014-06-10 07:12  

#2  I believe our 'tipover' asked yesterday why we'd seen no foto's of the Vegas cop killers in the MSM. Here are a few from the Telegraph. These foto's may answer tip's question.
Posted by: Besoeker   2014-06-10 02:14  

#1  Someone has mistakenly labeled my comments in yellow at the top as a snark. I assure you, it was not intended as such. Armed citizens, however well intended, are not treated well by history when events like the Bundy standoff go badly. All it would have taken would have been a dropped weapon, accidental discharge, or someone like these Vegas cop killers to turn the entire event into a bloodbath.
Posted by: Besoeker   2014-06-10 02:05  

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