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-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Obama's New Powerplant CO2 Rules: Guaranteed to Succeed (Retroactively)
2014-06-03
"So, I've been thinking about how this new EPA power plant rule will play out.

First of all, after an obligatory EPA 1-year comment period and then even more time for the states to decide how they might want to achieve the goals of the rule, it's going to be after the next presidential election before we actually see substantial changes in coal-fired generation resulting from the rule.

How convenient. Old plants are already being shuttered in favor of gas-fired plants, which are currently cheaper. So what's the point of the new regulations?

Well, what might well happen is this. Ten years down the road, "global warming" will turn out to be (surprise!) much weaker than predicted. Since we know the climate models that predicted much greater warming can't be wrong, it must be those new EPA regulations back in 2014 that solved the problem!

We really can control the climate system! We did something...and it worked...retroactively!

It doesn't really matter which came first, or what-caused-what. It didn't matter for the ice core record of temperature changes coming before CO2 changes, and it won't matter for this, either."
As of today, because of fracking and the existing converted coal-2-gas power plants, the US has exceed the CO2 reduction targets set forth in the never signed Kyoto Protocol. CO2 is a trace gas and by itself has marginal greenhouse effects.
Posted by:Squinty

#6  Aren't the mines selling an increasing amount of coal to Europe for their power plants?

"Exports are projected to total nearly 100 MMst in 2014. Coal exports totaled more than 100 MMst per year between 2011 and 2013. Before that, coal exports had not reached 100 MMst since 1992. In 2015, projected exports fall back to 91 MMst, primarily because of continuing economic weakness in Europe (the largest regional importer of U.S. coal), slowing Asian demand growth, and increasing coal output in other coal-exporting countries." US Energy Information Administration
Posted by: Squinty   2014-06-03 20:13  

#5  Aren't the mines selling an increasing amount of coal to Europe for their power plants?
Posted by: trailing wife   2014-06-03 19:30  

#4  maybe some blackout hours daily for Chicago? Call it Caracas North
Posted by: Frank G   2014-06-03 17:19  

#3  Didn't ValJar say something to the effect that those who did not support them (ValJar+Bammer) were going to 'get theirs' when the election was over?

Here's the first helping. Plenty more to come I'm sure...
Posted by: CrazyFool   2014-06-03 12:21  

#2  Job-killing, poverty-exacerbating, electricity rate-raising, unmeasurable temperature-benefitting.

Pretty much says it. The rules are going to be hard on the coal mining industry here in Tennessee, Kentucky, and West Virginia. It's not like we are flush in jobs here or in the country, but this guy never really gave a damn about jobs anyway--it's always been about his damned leftist agenda.
Posted by: JohnQC   2014-06-03 09:44  

#1  Few coal miners are his people or members of the urban entitlement crowd. They are generally rural, hardscrabble, Appalachian folk. He has absolutely nothing in common with these people or they way of life. The Champ could care less about them or their families.
Posted by: Besoeker   2014-06-03 05:06  

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