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-Election 2012
Unexpectededly Rosy Jobs Report
2012-02-04
An unexpectedly rosy jobs report set off a chain reaction Friday, upending economists' gloomy predictions for the coming year, leading to a surge on Wall Street and potentially boggling the political calculus of the 2012 presidential campaigns.
Boggling? In your dreams.
The surprise -- that the unemployment rate had dipped for the fifth straight month, to 8.3 percent -- was first reflected in the stock market, where the Dow Jones industrial average soared to its highest mark since the beginning of the financial crisis. The tech-heavy Nasdaq, meanwhile, hit an 11-year high.

"This morning we received more good news about our economy," Obama said during an appearance at an Arlington firehouse. "Still, far too many Americans need a job or need a job that pays better than the one they have now. But the economy is growing stronger."
Our economy? He said "our". That means he agrees it is no longer "Bush's economy".
The report forced his presidential rivals to adjust their rhetoric about the economy, which has played a leading role in the Republican debates. But they appeared ever ready to remind listeners that the unemployment rate remains elevated.
Ever ready. Evil Rethuglicans! Picking on The One, OUR President. No journalistic bias here!
"This is a game changer early in the thirteenth quarter," Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics, said of Friday's employment figures. "The payroll numbers validate, in the market's eyes, what all the other data are saying."

The nation's economic forecasters, many of whom had predicted that the unemployment rate would remain stubbornly high this year, seemed to back off their gloomiest positions.
Right. Eight percent is not high. Let's see what happens when the good news gets some folks back in the market.
The Congressional Budget Office has predicted 8.9 percent unemployment for the year; the Federal Reserve has predicted between 8.2 percent and 8.5 percent for the year. Likewise, Moody's Analytics had expected the unemployment rate to remain at 8.5 percent through the end of the year.

Moody's Analytics, for one, is now reconsidering its predictions."The collective psyche seems to be turning a bit more optimistic," said Marisa Di Natale, the firm's director of economic research. "We're certainly going to revise our forecast."

Here we go. On page 2 -
The unemployment figures were startling enough that some analysts wondered whether they were correct. Friday's figures from the household survey were the first to incorporate the new population numbers from the 2010 Census. But the new unemployment rate was unaffected by the change, the Labor Department said.
The Obama Labor Department.
Obama's campaign team, and some political scientists, believe that voters are more likely to be swayed by the direction the unemployment rate is moving -- downward -- rather than its exact level.
Quick! Find somebody who supports that theory! Call California! Start with UCLA.
Lynn Vavreck, an associate professor of political science and communications at UCLA, has studied the effect of gross domestic product and the unemployment rate on presidential campaigns going as far back as 1952. Her analysis shows that there appears to be little or no connection between an incumbent president's vote share and the unemployment rate.

But there is a clear connection between votes for the incumbent and the direction the unemployment rate is moving.
Which way were the unemployment numbers moving when Carter ran for re-election?
On its Web site, the Obama campaign posted a chart that illustrated 23 consecutive months of private-sector job growth and encouraged supporters to e-mail it to friends "to make sure people know the good news about President Obama's record on jobs."
I wonder who made that up? Valerie Jarrett?
The chart included a summary of White House initiatives since Obama took office, including the Recovery Act, which provided a $787 billion stimulus; a bailout loan to the auto industry; and the payroll tax cut.

The campaign official said the chart had already become one of the campaign's most popular social media items, having been e-mailed and posted on Facebook and Twitter hundreds of thousands of times by Friday afternoon.
I wonder who made that up? Valerie Jarrett?
Posted by:Bobby

#23  My deepest apologies...Please allow me to provide a craven rendering of our beloved Pharaoh... (attached). He Lives!
Posted by: Chesh Squank6666   2012-02-04 23:50  

#22  If people see that their kids can't get jobs and that their own jobs continue to be insecure, and the same for just about everyone they know -- especially those working for the state and local government -- it won't matter what the official statistics are.
Posted by: trailing wife   2012-02-04 21:55  

#21  That employment figure has a numerator and a denominator.

If you can't get the numerator to do what you want, fudge the denominator by not counting the people who dropped out of the workforce (i.e. fell off the end of their unemployment).

The only statistic that matters is what percent of the non-institutional persons are full time employed.

Also, you'll recollect that the stimulus made three years ago was inexplicably back-loaded. They just couldn't figure out how to spend it all at the time. Right.

This stuff is perfectly obvious, but people don't get it because they aren't told.
Posted by: KBK   2012-02-04 19:28  

#20  Dang - Spoger Hapsburg7756 is actually NCMike
Posted by: Spoger Hapsburg7756   2012-02-04 17:25  

#19  AU has it right. More here. Barry won't fool the American people with phoney numbers

I'd be willing to 48 to 51 percent of the people in the US will be considered fools in my book in November.
Posted by: Spoger Hapsburg7756   2012-02-04 17:23  

#18  Remember all those 'press' briefing back during Vietnam. It didn't match up with what the troops were saying when they got home. At a certain point no matter how much you repeat the lie, the line is crossed and the messenger is treated with derision and contempt. #10 up there shows that even in the absolute state controlled media, at a certain point people don't buy it.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2012-02-04 15:23  

#17  Nimble, high grocery prices are the fault of the evil Monsanto and high gas prices are the fault of the evil Exxon and Chevron. Obama is exceeding all metrics for what could possibly be expected of him in such a situation. Or so I am told...
Posted by: Glenmore   2012-02-04 15:19  

#16  Unfortunately the Media will repeat this and repeat this and never mention the beating the poor data endured to reach even these numbers.

Repeat a lie often enough - it becomes the truth.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2012-02-04 13:46  

#15  He may fool some about the unemployment rate. But he won't fool many about the economy because they have direct contact with it and they know it sux. People aren't getting raises, there is inflation at the grocery store and gas pump, People know there aren't enough jobs around to replace the one they hate. So he's going to have a hard time running on the economy. Fantasy numbers just don't square with actual experience.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2012-02-04 13:42  

#14  Sorry Nimble, but Obama will fool a lot of people with those numbers. The real numbers will not make the MSM.
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2012-02-04 12:59  

#13  I'd like nothing more than to see a few million americans get back to work. But I'm skeptical that any new jobs have been regained recently. It's an old research trick from way back. If you torture your data enough, you can make it conform to any hypothesis. Well, almost any. Just because he brought unemployment down a couple % wouldn't make me a swing voter anyway, look at all the other despicable shit he and his Ohio Gang have done besides wrecking the recovery.
Posted by: bigjim-CA   2012-02-04 12:54  

#12  Thank you SG, that's the graph to which I was referring in #5.
Posted by: AlanC   2012-02-04 11:47  

#11  AU has it right. More here. Barry won't fool the American people with phoney numbers.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2012-02-04 10:59  

#10  Roughly the old Russian saying - there is no Izvestia in Pravda and no Pravda in Izvestia.

Welcome to the new Soviet.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2012-02-04 10:54  

#9  I'll believe it when the Mexicans start coming back.
Posted by: Abu Uluque   2012-02-04 10:47  

#8  

Posted by: Shimble Guelph5793   2012-02-04 10:32  

#7  It is much easier to manage expectations and perceptions than actual employment.
Posted by: Glenmore   2012-02-04 10:22  

#6  The news media in their cheering doesn't tell you is that there are still 5 million fewer employed than 5 years ago when Bush was president. They also don't tell you that ion the meantime there are 15 million more Americans in the time there are 5 million fewer jobs.

It's like the constant homeless features on the evening news during Reagan, Bush 1 and 2. When was the last homeless feature since Obama assumed office and millions of families really did lose their homes. Give me Pravda any day. At least I can see topless women on their pages.
Posted by: Shimble Guelph5793   2012-02-04 10:16  

#5  There were interesting graphs yesterday that showed that the employment rate (not unemployment) was going down also NOT because of retirees. This is simple game playing with the numbers and means nothing except that they are all liars.
Posted by: AlanC   2012-02-04 09:51  

#4  no mention of the 1.2 million that have left the workforce, giving up on finding a job. An honest media would note that's why the % went down. *spit*
Posted by: Frank G   2012-02-04 09:38  

#3  Remember back in the day when a 4.5 unemployment rate during the Bush administration was widely derided as a "jobless recovery"?
Posted by: Raj   2012-02-04 09:36  

#2  I call BS on this
Posted by: Bill Clinton   2012-02-04 09:15  

#1  Crud. I intended to add a foto of the smug Obama and then submit.
Posted by: Bobby   2012-02-04 09:03  

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