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India-Pakistan
Experts: US aid 'snub' to Pakistan blow to America
2011-07-13
[Dawn] The decision to suspend more than one-third of American military aid to Pakistain could end up hurting Washington more than Islamabad as the US seeks to navigate an end to the Afghan war and defeat al Qaeda, former Pak officials and analysts warned Monday.

Holding back the $800 million in aid is unlikely to pressure Pakistain to increase cooperation with the US and could strengthen those in the government who argue that Washington is a fickle ally who can't be trusted, they said.

"If you still need the relationship, which clearly the United States does, then it really doesn't make sense to take action at this time because it leaves the United States with less, not more, influence with the Pak military," said Maleeha Lodhi, a former Pak ambassador to the US "Cooperation cannot be coerced by punitive actions."

Despite billions of dollars in American aid since the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, the relationship has long been tense because of Pakistain's reluctance to target Talibs on its territory who stage cross-border attacks against NATO
...the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Originally it was a mutual defense pact directed against an expansionist Soviet Union. In later years it evolved into a mechanism for picking the American pocket while criticizing the style of the American pants...
troops in Afghanistan.

The relationship took a nose dive on May 2 when US commandos staged a covert raid to kill al Qaeda chief the late Osama bin Laden
... who no longer has to waste time and energy breathing...
in a Pak garrison town not far from Islamabad. The raid humiliated the Pak military, which ordered US trainers out of the country and reduced bilateral cooperation.

President Barack B.O. Obama's chief of staff, William Daley, said Sunday that the US was suspending $800 million in aid to the Pak military until the two countries can patch up their relationship.

But Tariq Fatemi, another former Pak ambassador to the US, said he thought the American strategy to pressure Pakistain was destined for failure.

"I think it is unwise to expect the Paks to buckle under what is a publicly delivered snub," said Fatemi. "It will strengthen those elements in the armed forces that have always had grave misgivings of the relationship with the United States."

Many Paks have never forgiven the US for slapping sanctions on the country in 1990 because of its work to develop a nuclear weapon. The decision came only a year after Pakistain and the US were successful in a decade-long quest to drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan.

The sanctions left many Paks with a sense that the US was only interested in a "transactional" relationship that it could abandon once its interests were served.

Fatemi, the former ambassador, said the US decision appeared to undercut claims by B.O. regime officials that the US was interested in a long-term relationship that encompassed much more than counterterrorism cooperation.

Pakistain army front man Maj. Gen. Abbas said Sunday that the military had received no official notice from the US that aid was being suspended. He also said that the loss of aid would have no effect on military operations against Islamist hard boyz in the country because they were being conducted with Pakistain's own resources.

"I think it hurts Washington more than it hurts Islamabad," said Lodhi, the former ambassador. "Assistance is influence, and when you withhold it or suspend it, you deprive yourself of influence."

Pakistain army chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani
... four star general, current Chief of Army Staff of the Mighty Pak Army. Kayani is the former Director General of ISI...
seemed to pre-empt the effect of the aid cut in a speech after the bin Laden raid -- saying all US military assistance now should be diverted to improve the country's economy and help common Paks.

"They want to end any impression that they are some kind of hired help," said Lodhi.

Some analysts have predicted that the suspension of military aid could hurt the military's war against the Pak Taliban over the long run, especially since the country is suffering an economic slump.

But Ayesha Siddiqa, a Pak defense analyst, said that Pakistain's close relationship with China could offset the impact. Pakistain has long purchased military equipment and missiles from China at lower-cost rates and bought fighter aircraft from the country last year, she said.

The Pak military is "trying to go the Chinese way," said Siddiqa.

It is unclear what other actions Pakistain will take in response to the suspension of US military aid. It could be less helpful in targeting al Qaeda gunnies within the country and in pushing Afghan Talibs with whom it has historical ties to negotiate an end to the Afghan war.

Pakistain is also believed to secretly support US drone strikes against hard boyz in the country's mountainous tribal region. That support has been shaken in the wake of the bin Laden raid and could be further imperiled by the suspension of aid.

One of the most high-profile points of leverage that the Paks have with the US is the shipment of a large percentage of non-lethal supplies through the country to NATO troops in Afghanistan. Pakistain temporarily closed the border to NATO supplies last year after an accidental US helicopter strike killed two Pak troops. It is unclear if the suspension of aid could provoke a similar response.

"When you take this kind of action, you reinforce the transactional nature of the relationship," said Lodhi. "The moment you do that all bets are off because the response will not be a very positive one."

But Lodhi also noted that Pakistain and the US do share common interests in combatting terrorism and fostering a stable Afghanistan -- even if the details don't always match up.

"The common interest is there, but the question is can we walk back from the brink and find common ground to rebuild trust step by step?"
Posted by:Fred

#13  "We would need a lot of popcorn for that, Barbara."

I've got plenty of room on my siding for extra boxcar-loads, Steve.

Just sayin'. ;-p
Posted by: Barbara   2011-07-13 21:20  

#12  Or no states and an extremely large car park

We would need a lot of popcorn for that, Barbara.

Still, it might be a more productive use for the land. After the radiation dies down, I mean.
Posted by: SteveS   2011-07-13 20:57  

#11  I keep saying, we need to utterly CRUSH Pakistan, and divide it between India and Afghanistan along the Indus River. There's absolutely no need to KEEP Pakistan. Let the dope-heads all congregate in Quetta under Afghanistani control. Run the Sindhs into the ocean. Flush the Punjabis. No great loss, the lot of them. It would solve the Kashmir problem - the Kashmir is on the Indian side of the Indus. It would solve the Pashtun problem - they'd all be in Afghanistan. There wouldn't be any more Pakistanis to flood the US and Europe, especially Britain. Those there would have to declare new citizenship. Britain should make sure it's NOT British. I don't see any drawbacks, except for the Pakistanis, and who gives a ^%$&^ about them?
Posted by: Old Patriot   2011-07-13 20:45  

#10  "Or three manageable states and a very large car park."

Or no states and an extremely large car park, Steve.
Posted by: Barbara   2011-07-13 18:11  

#9  ...break up this unholy nation into four manageable states.

Or three manageable states and a very large car park.
Posted by: SteveS   2011-07-13 17:56  

#8  We should be funding India to break up this unholy nation into four manageable states.
Posted by: Paul D   2011-07-13 15:25  

#7  There's only problem with holding back one third of aid. It means we're still handing them two thirds of the aid with no quesitons asked as they lie to us and assist our enemies.
Posted by: AuburnTom   2011-07-13 14:17  

#6  I think that all this threat of holding back aid money is just posturing. I will believe it when I see it.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2011-07-13 11:27  

#5  Let their old friends the communist Chinese give them a hand with something other than electronic bomb technology and components. We're tapped out!
Posted by: Besoeker on the road again   2011-07-13 07:57  

#4  The "Experts" are just afraid of the gravy train pulling out. It's not like the aid money was actually buying something.
Posted by: Spot   2011-07-13 07:47  

#3  Look at it this way: We STILL have the $800 million dollars in our pocket. And the Pakis were just going to steal most of it anyway.

They aren't our friends, Chuckie, they never were.

"Washington is a fickle ally who cant't be trusted."???

Pakistan needs to turn that rumpstick around. They really do.
We are talking Brillkreme Moslems here who take it under the table. We are taking MOSLEM values taken to the nth. We are talking an entire greaser CULTURE of gimme and bird of paradise fly up your nose. We are talking Osama living right next door to the paki equivalent of West Point and Sgt. Schultzing us with a straight face.

You want to go on sucking a bunch of paki Goons? And handing them your wallet with a smile? Lets play for real. Give us what we want or we cut your belt off and pull down your pants and give you to Mustapha the Organ there. How bad do you want it to feel?
Posted by: de Medici   2011-07-13 05:44  

#2  See also PEOPLE'S DAILY FORUM > PANETTA DOCTRINE: "DECLARE VICTORY, BUT DON'T GO HOME".

IIUC ARTIC = Among other, infers that the US is covertly anticipating a scenario whereupon those MilTerr factions whom are not defeated 2011-2014 [2017?] may elect to abandon AFPAK = Pakistan post-2014 for elsewhere in CENTRAL, EAST, + SOUTH ASIA, ostensibly to rebuild + refurbish for future new Jihad, hence the US need post-2014 to still maintain a viable Troop Presence + espec DRONE STAGING BASES in AFGHANISTAN [Pak?] TO DEAL WID ANY POSSIBLE BREAKOUT OF MILTERR TROUBLES IN SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES OUTSIDE OF AFPAK.

As per PANETTA, in addition to SPECFORS/SPECOPS-led ground search missions the US will continue to use Afghan- andor PAK-based? UAVS to help hunt down + destroy remaining Al-Qaeda + other targeted MilTerr Leaders OUTSIDE OF AFGHANISTAN = AFPAK.

Yoohoo, "CROWN PRINCE" HAMZA BIN LADEN, I'm a'lookin at you kid.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2011-07-13 01:29  

#1  said Maleeha Lodhi, a former Pak ambassador to the US "Cooperation cannot be coerced by punitive actions."

Worked before and is probably the only thing that really works since enlightened self interest is not an Islamic concept.

The United States threatened to bomb Pakistan "back to the stone age" unless it cooperated in the US-led war on terror, President Pervez Musharraf said in an interview. "The intelligence director told me that (Armitage) said, 'Be prepared to be bombed. Be prepared to go back to the stone age'," Musharraf said in the interview with the 60 minutes investigative news programme to be broadcast Sunday.
Posted by: Eohippus Phater7165   2011-07-13 01:16  

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