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Africa North
Libyan Stalemate - Facilitated by The One
2011-04-17
WaPo house editorial. They seem confused.
The contradictions at the heart of U.S. policy in Libya are becoming more acute. On Friday President Obama joined the leaders of Britain and France in declaring that the NATO air campaign, which was launched in the name of protecting civilians, will continue for as long as dictator Moammar Gaddafi remains in power.
Now he speaks for NATO, too?
Yet in an interview he gave to the Associated Press the same day, Mr. Obama acknowledged that the war between rebels and Mr. Gaddafi's forces is stalemated, 10 days after U.S. ground attack aircraft were pulled from the operation on his orders.
Does the WaPo really believe Moo-mar can be defeated from the air?
Let's see if we can sum this up: Mr. Obama is insisting that NATO's air operation, already four weeks old, cannot end until Mr. Gaddafi is forced from office -- but he refuses to use American forces to break the military stalemate.
I think they got it.
If his real aim were to plunge NATO into a political crisis, or to exhaust the air forces and military budgets of Britain and France -- which are doing most of the bombing -- this would be a brilliant strategy. As it is, it is impossible to understand.
No, you were right the previous sentence: it's a brilliant strategy.
How else to explain his decision to deny NATO the two most effective ground attack airplanes in the world -- the AC-130 and A-10 Warthog -- which exist only in the U.S. Air Force and which were attacking Mr. Gaddafi's tanks and artillery until April 4?

Mr. Obama appears less intent on ousting Mr. Gaddafi or ensuring NATO's success than in proving an ideological point -- that the United States need not take the lead in a military operation that does not involve vital U.S. interests.
Hanging our allies out to dry is a feature, not a bug.
The French and British have been stranded by Mr. Obama's posture; they are facing the usual difficulties in persuading NATO's other members to join in bombing operations. Only half of the alliance's nations are active in Libya, and a number are quietly opposing a mission they see as ill-conceived. Both the British and French foreign ministers have appealed for American help, but France's Alain Juppe appeared to get a brush-off from Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton in a closed-door meeting Thursday. "I got the sense they will stick to their same line," he said.

We believed that Mr. Obama was right to support NATO's intervention in Libya not only because of the risk that Mr. Gaddafi would carry out massacres but because defeating the dictator is crucial to the larger cause of democratic change in the Middle East.
It's not at all clear that Moo-mar is as vicious as Saddam was. Maybe there would've only been mini-massacres.
Yet having reluctantly joined the fight -- and accepted the goal of Mr. Gaddafi's ouster -- Mr. Obama seems determined to limit the American role even if it makes success impossible. If the president is very lucky, Mr. Gaddafi will be betrayed and overthrown by his followers or somehow induced to step down voluntarily. We can only hope that the NATO alliance does not collapse between now and then.
Yes, the WaPo is clearly confused.
Posted by:Bobby

#10  I am confused. If we go into a conflict in that part of the world, we expect NATO to join in.

But on the otherhand, if NATO decides to enter into a conflict, we don't have to participate?

I thought, as near as I can remember, there are some buzz word in the NATO treaty that bind the US to action if NATO as an organization chooses to enter a conflict in defense of something or other.

If Obumble, the incompetent One, is trying to deplete the two other Western first line fighting forces, for what reason? A global Islamic overthrow?

He is becoming increasingly dangerous and irrational. I think the Charles Krauthammer diagnosis of Obumble being a toxic Narcissist is being confirmed in front of our eyes.
Posted by: Bill Clinton   2011-04-18 00:00  

#9  Thing, never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2011-04-17 23:53  

#8  I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that Obama really wants to win this one. I suspect he wants to lose or draw, given a) his former political associates ties to Daffy, and b) that to him it's just an opportunity to waste resources and burn more of the US's seed corn so that we won't be able to reverse the economic catastrophe that's currently happening in slow motion.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain   2011-04-17 22:20  

#7  I didn't think it would be possible to create a scenario in which Gaddafi looks like the most competent person in the vicinity, but they may have done it.
Posted by: Matt   2011-04-17 20:56  

#6  I know what I'd like to declare him, Black Bart, but I'd get sink-trapped.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2011-04-17 20:06  

#5  Clearly Barack Obama is a great military strategist in addition to his superb golf skills. Perhaps like Kim Jung Un he should be declared a four star general.
Posted by: Black Bart Floluns1937   2011-04-17 19:38  

#4  Funny, I was looking at it as an indictment on the UN; though it is interesting to see the European Socialists System unglue in a light rain. I maintain that EU needs to take some initiative to prevent a clandestine invasion, but come'on quit playing footsie and start playing rugby.

...but of course a stalemate with no solution is the warning Eisenhower presented as the military industrial complex so what the hell, supply north africa and all nutcase special ops with modern weapons, pat yourself on the back for a transaction poorly planned, and die before the handful of years pass before the modernized armed mobs, is that the equalizing goal to disarm 1st world and arm 3rd world and only the UN can be the organizers of local alliances, with the US and EU paying the taxes towards the UN because nobody else will? Really, auto pollution, why doesn't the UN go after KSA et al for producing the stuff instead of the consumers or do we not want to address that question.

Kinetic role playing, now thats funny. If I had to picture it, what we got is a singing telegram serving a warrent on a drug house.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2011-04-17 15:39  

#3  Maybe NATO has outlived its usefulness. They should either revert to their old mission (oh right, no more USSR) or define a new mission that everyone buys into that would allow this type of "kinetic role playing" whenever or wherever some bureaucrat wants.
Posted by: AlanC   2011-04-17 14:36  

#2  Learning not to mess with sovereign states could save EUers a lot of grief.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2011-04-17 14:33  

#1  Suez 2.0
Posted by: Pappy   2011-04-17 14:18  

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