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Home Front: Politix
New Poverty Definition - Lower One-Third
2010-05-31
Who is poor in America? This is not an easy question to answer, and the Obama administration would make it harder. It's hard because there's no conclusive definition of poverty. Low income matters, though how low is unclear. Poverty is also a mind-set that fosters self-defeating behavior - bad work habits, family breakdown, out-of-wedlock births and addictions. Finally, poverty results from lousy luck: accidents, job losses, disability.

Despite poverty's messiness, we've tended to measure progress against it by a single statistic, the federal poverty line. It was originally designed in the early 1960s by Mollie Orshansky, an analyst at the Social Security Administration, and became part of Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty.
Talk about your Quagmire!
By this measure, we haven't made much progress. Except for recessions, when the poverty rate can rise to 15 percent, it has stayed in a narrow range for decades. But the apparent lack of progress is misleading for two reasons.

First, it ignores immigration, which has increased reported poverty. Many immigrants are poor and low-skilled. From 1989 to 2007, about three-quarters of the increase in the poverty population occurred among Hispanics - mostly immigrants, their children and grandchildren. Poverty "experts" don't dwell on immigration, because it implies that more restrictive policies might reduce U.S. poverty.
The definition of poverty, you see, is one of the keys to the redistribution of income.
Second, the poor's material well-being has improved. The official poverty measure obscures this by counting only pre-tax cash income and ignoring other sources of support. These include the earned-income tax credit (a rebate to low-income workers), food stamps, health insurance (Medicaid), and housing and energy subsidies. Spending by poor households from all sources may be double their reported income, reports a study by Nicholas Eberstadt of the American Enterprise Institute.

The existing poverty line could be improved by adding some income sources and subtracting some expenses (example: child care). Unfortunately, the administration's proposal for a "supplemental poverty measure" in 2011 - to complement, not replace, the existing poverty line - goes beyond these changes. The new poverty number would compound public confusion. It also raises questions about whether the statistic is tailored to favor a political agenda.
hey! It's da Chicago Way!
The "supplemental measure" ties the poverty threshold to what the poorest third of Americans spend on food, housing, clothes and utilities. The actual threshold - not yet calculated - will almost certainly be higher than today's poverty line. Moreover, the new definition has strange consequences. Suppose that all Americans doubled their incomes tomorrow, and suppose that their spending on food, clothing, housing and utilities also doubled. That would seem to signify less poverty - but not by the new poverty measure. It wouldn't decline, because the poverty threshold would go up as spending went up. Many Americans would find this weird: People get richer but "poverty" stays stuck.
But the War on Poverty continues! The "War Without End"©
The new indicator is a "propaganda device" to promote income redistribution by showing that poverty is stubborn or increasing, says the Heritage Foundation's Robert Rector. He has a point. The Census Bureau has estimated statistics similar to the administration's proposal. In 2008, the traditional poverty rate was 13.2 percent; estimates of the new statistic range up to 17 percent. The new poverty statistic exceeds the old, and the gap grows larger over time.

To paraphrase the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan: The administration is defining poverty up. It's legitimate to debate how much we should aid the poor or try to reduce economic inequality. But the debate should not be skewed by misleading statistics that not one American in 100,000 could possibly understand. Government statistics should strive for political neutrality. This one fails.
When has 'government' ever been "politically neutral"?
Posted by:Bobby

#14  Crazyfool- That's "Undocumented American" to the Dims.
Posted by: Flapper Scourge of the Algonquins4926   2010-05-31 18:45  

#13  I'm with you Darth. If they physically or mentally cant work (and I mean really are unable to work - not that they claim to have a disability.) then I don't mind helping them out.

Many (too many) years ago I live in an apartment, working my ass off to get ahead. The apartment above me had 2-3 families in it, with kids, and all on welfare (and _none_ were disabled). Right after the 1st of the month the parties will start up there. Every night. By about the 15th of the month it quieted down a bit - probably partying every 2 out of 3 nights. Close to the end of the month its about every other nights and occasionally skipping 2-3 nights. Then on the first *BANG* party time again. That went on for _months_.

I'm also of the mind that people on welfare (who are not disabled) should forfeit their right to vote. Sorry you can't vote yourselves more money.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2010-05-31 18:14  

#12  Being poor, aka only having a box of white rice and half a bottle of BBQ sauce to live on for a week and a half so I could pay rent, really motivated me to get educated and get the hell out of that way of life.

It made me a financial conservative.

Fuck those that won't better themselves and want my hard earned money.

(Can't is a different story. I will happily help support those that physically can't work.)
Posted by: DarthVader   2010-05-31 18:03  

#11  Poverty is also a mind-set that fosters self-defeating behavior - bad work habits, family breakdown, out-of-wedlock births and addictions. Finally, poverty results from lousy luck: accidents, job losses, disability.

So how does convincing 17% of the population that they are 'poor' rectify this?
Posted by: bigjim-CA   2010-05-31 17:59  

#10  To quote an Indian immigrant: "This is the only country I know where the poor people are fat." Posted by Frozen Al

Both "fat" and lazy.
Posted by: Besoeker   2010-05-31 17:30  

#9  The reason they are forced to use "relative poverty" is because, by any objective measure, the "poor" in America would be well off anywhere else.

All you have to know is that people living below the poverty line have a higher standard of living than the average American a generation ago.

To quote an Indian immigrant: "This is the only country I know where the poor people are fat."
Posted by: Frozen Al   2010-05-31 17:29  

#8  Hmm... my wife, who came here from the Philippines was (and still is) amazed at the wealth and opportunities available to the 'poor' here.

She is also amazed at the, for lack of a better word, pure laziness of the 'poor' and the 'entitlement mentality' they have. It pisses her off to see someone, who is well able to work, sit back and collect welfare or disability for nothing.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2010-05-31 17:20  

#7  A co-worker from India once asked me "I hear people on TV speaking of poverty in the US; but I do not see them. Where are they?"

There is the biblical definition of poverty, and then there is the "progressive" definition.
Posted by: gorb   2010-05-31 17:06  

#6  I think the definition of poverty should be defined in relatioon to quality of life: running water, access to transportation, food, shelter, availablity of jobs, ability to work, access to healthcare (any emergency room will do).... and with that definition there are very few folks living in poverty in the US as compared to 40 years ago.

A co-worker from India once asked me "I hear people on TV speaking of poverty in the US; but I do not see them. Where are they?"
Posted by: airandee   2010-05-31 16:18  

#5  Isn't 1/3 ownership in any venture basically a controlling interest under most circumstances?
Posted by: gorb   2010-05-31 12:09  

#4  Define poverty as the bottom xx% of the population. Now, how do you eliminate poverty? Give the bottom xx% more money? Nope, somebody is still the bottom xx%. Exterminate the bottom xx%? Nope, then you just have a new, though smaller, bottom xx%.
Posted by: Glenmore   2010-05-31 11:57  

#3  I take it by 'Immigrant' the author means 'Undocumented Alien' i.e. Illegal Alien. Most legal immigrants have the meas to sustain themselves.

As mentioned - this insures that the 'war on poverty' would never end because, no matter how wealthy everyone is - the lower third will be classified as 'poor'. Its a socialist's wet dream - you will never, ever, end poverty.

And don't forget, that the poor here, would be classified as doing good, middle class, or even well off, in other countries.


Posted by: CrazyFool   2010-05-31 11:17  

#2  RelPov = Marxism pure and simple.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2010-05-31 10:48  

#1  No program, no redistribution will end 'poverty' that is found as a consequence of human free will to engage in behaviors that destroy any opportunity. There has always been poverty, there is poverty, and there will remain poverty as long as people choose to engage in behaviors long since defined as the Seven Deadly Sins.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2010-05-31 09:24  

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