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Britain
Freedom Returning To England
2010-05-20
Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg has promised the "biggest shake-up of our democracy" in 178 years as he sets out plans for political reform.

The Tory-Lib Dem coalition is proposing fixed-term parliaments, an elected House of Lords and a referendum on changing the voting system.

Mr Clegg said the government was "not insecure about relinquishing control".

The Lib Dem leader also called on the public to nominate laws to be repealed, as part of a "power revolution".

Mr Clegg, who is overseeing the government's political reform plans, said he wanted to "transform our politics so the state has far less control over you, and you have far more control over the state".

This would include scrapping the ID card scheme and accompanying National Identity Register, all future biometric passports and the children's Contact Point Database. It would also ensure CCTV was "properly regulated" in future and the storage of innocent people's DNA restricted.

Mr Clegg said: "Britain was once the cradle of modern democracy. We are now, on some measures, the most centralised country in Europe, bar Malta."

The deputy prime minister promised to give voters powers to "recall" corrupt MPs and for an elected House of Lords, based on a "proportional" voting system.

He said: "I'm talking about the most significant programme of empowerment by a British government since the great enfranchisement of the 19th Century. The biggest shake up of our democracy since 1832, when the Great Reform Act redrew the boundaries of British democracy, for the first time extending the franchise beyond the landed classes."

He added: "Incremental change will not do. It is time for a wholesale, big bang approach to political reform."

He accused the previous government of "obsessive lawmaking" and pledged to "get rid of the unnecessary laws" and "introduce a mechanism to block pointless new criminal offences".

He promised to ask the public "which laws you think should go" as they "tear through the statute book".

Mr Clegg added: "This government is going to persuade you to put your faith in politics once again."

He said differences between the Lib Dems and Conservatives were "almost impossible to spot" when it came to wanting to decentralise power.

He added: "We don't, unlike Labour, believe that change in our society must be forced from the centre. Unlike the previous Labour government, we're not insecure about relinquishing control."
This is going to be interesting. Good luck, cousins!
Posted by: Anonymoose

#14  Snarling? Eh. I think the short sighted comments about "I dont need a semiauto" was pretty stupid. Especially for a "granpaw" that should know better than trust in authority after all the recent abuses in England.

True some of the responses aren't exactly tactful, but this is RANTburg.
Posted by: OldSpook   2010-05-20 22:42  

#13  FTA, don't even think of getting a stun-gun or a Taser, could cost you five years. Harsh. Although, I do like the idea of a flare/signal/distress gun, and semi-auto air power seems to be allowed (within limits). Treat 'em like children and they will act like children.
www.policeoracle.com/forum/printer_friendly_posts.asp?TID=8968
Posted by: Rhodesiafever   2010-05-20 22:37  

#12  armbritain.com/index.php?topic=18.0
So to be truly 'free', I would have to vote in the BNP? I prefer to keep my own politics and to stock up on cross-bow bolts and pig-fat to dip them in. There is no (gun)-culture in the UK, and trying to learn it now is about three generations too late. Anyway, I got the freedom to get the sh!t taxed outa me, what more do I need?
Posted by: Rhodesiafever   2010-05-20 22:00  

#11  This would be wonderful for two reasons:

1) The British people deserve it, and

2) Should they succeed, sales of Depends would spike in DC.

I think of that as a win/win.
Posted by: Cornsilk Blondie   2010-05-20 19:30  

#10  Sorry about that. We're prone to snarling. The fault lies not in Britain, but in ourselves.
Posted by: Secret Master   2010-05-20 18:07  

#9  How is it that a rare positive article about Britain gets hijacked by snarling gun owners? How about some praise instead.
Posted by: gromky   2010-05-20 17:00  

#8  Bolt actions were the primary infantry weapons in both WW1 and 2. Plenty of people got killed. It really depends on what your opponent has and AFAIK, English criminals are not going off firing Tec-9s gangsta stylee. And a shotgun is still the best home defense weapon. Don't like that it is only double barreled? Buy two.

That said, every gun I own would be illegal in England. I don't plan on losing because of firepower issues.
Posted by: ed   2010-05-20 16:55  

#7  So Granpaw, I suggest you not be such an smug but oblivious idiot. You've become an utter subject to authority - people like you are the reason England is dying. I am a free citizen, and plan on keeping myself and by extension, my nation, free.

Answer this: what happens when you cannot bring that long arm to bear properly in self defense, and miss the hooligan with your one shot? I'll tell you: he and his thug buddies beat you to death with the butt of your own firearm.

Me? My semi-auto is a handgun, it comes to bear quickly, and if I miss I simply squeeze the trigger another time, up to 13 of them in a row.
Posted by: No I am the other Beldar   2010-05-20 16:39  

#6  Jefferson, you have the right to own and carry them anywhere you damn well please. Whether or not it's actually legal is an entirely different matter, but that never stopped me when I lived in California.

I'm sure many of our British cousins feel the same way as Robert Heinlein did on this particular issue: “I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”
Posted by: Secret Master   2010-05-20 15:38  

#5  Granpaw, it's fine if you have no use for a certain type of firearm, but if a law abiding citizen does have a use for a semi auto firearm, they should be able to buy one. Without looking through the safe I own 5 different guns that I wouldn't have the right to in England. That's crazy.
Posted by: Jefferson   2010-05-20 14:24  

#4  Update: British government to partially privatize Royal Mail, which sets up a big fight with the government union.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2010-05-20 12:25  

#3  Actually flash, I have 16 bore, 12 bore purdey side by sides and a bolt action rifle all legal and processed under section 5 firearms .
Semi autos are section 1 and not for private use, but I have no use for them

Happy hunting old chap
Posted by: Granpaw   2010-05-20 11:17  

#2  Let us know when you can own guns again.

Or knives.

Or pointy sticks.
Posted by: flash91   2010-05-20 10:44  

#1  If this works out well at all, heck if he's actually sincere, perhaps we should consider drafing Mr. Clegg to run for POTUS in our next election. Now that, y'know, citizenship is no longer a prerequiste to holding the office.
Posted by: AzCat   2010-05-20 01:30  

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