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Iraq
No forensic match for ammo in Blackwater shooting
2009-04-01
FBI scientists were unable to match bullets from a deadly 2007 Baghdad shooting to guns carried by Blackwater Worldwide security guards, according to laboratory reports that leave open the possibility that insurgents also fired in the crowded intersection. The FBI lab reports, obtained by The Associated Press from someone not involved in the criminal case, allow for both possibilities.

Investigators recovered .30-caliber bullets from a survivor, a Blackwater truck and around Baghdad's Nisoor Square. Scientists could not determine whether those bullets came from .30-caliber Blackwater machine guns. The AK-47 rifles favored by many Iraqi insurgents also fire .30-caliber bullets.

Nobody disputes that Blackwater guards fired, but accounts vary on whether the convoy of armored trucks was attacked. Iraqi witnesses and some members of the Blackwater convoy told authorities they saw no insurgent gunfire. Radio logs show Blackwater guards repeatedly reporting incoming fire during a hectic eight minutes in which one truck was disabled.

The government's case does not hinge on whether Blackwater was fired on, since prosecutors say the guards violated their rules of engagement even if they did take fire. But any evidence that Blackwater was attacked would help the guards argue they fired in self-defense. The inconclusive lab reports do little to sort out the discrepancies. The documents do not prove the government's argument that Blackwater was unprovoked. Nor do they prove that Blackwater was attacked.

Instead, the reports reveal the difficulty FBI agents faced in an investigation that began two weeks after the shooting. In the U.S., investigators would analyze bullets from the dead bodies. But Muslims typically bury their dead within 24 hours, so when the FBI arrived, such analysis was impossible. Iraqi autopsy reports, if they are done, are not usually as thorough as those in the United States. The FBI lab reports give no indication that investigators recovered any bullets from dead bodies.

Further complicating things, investigators found Yugoslavian and Chinese cartridge cases in the square. Neither U.S. troops nor Blackwater use such ammunition. But shootings are not uncommon in Nisoor Square and those shells could have been left behind before or after the Blackwater shooting. "Even if they didn't find anything except Blackwater cartridge casings, because of how insecure the scene is out there, people could have come in and picked up anything they wanted," said Michael Haag, a forensic scientist and instructor who reviewed the lab reports for the AP.

FBI scientists also tried to match the bullets to Blackwater ammunition by analyzing and comparing metal compositions. Scientists determined the bullets and bullet fragments recovered from the scene probably came from "several different sources." But that, too, is an inconclusive finding, Haag said. Even ammunition pulled from the same box can have different metal compositions. So, the lab's finding does not prove whether Blackwater was alone in firing, he said.
Posted by:ryuge

#4  I wouldn't be too surprised if the Al Qaeda shot some of the bystanders as well.
Posted by: gorb   2009-04-01 17:25  

#3  I would need to go to the books but if the bullets are in fair condition the bullet weight and construction should not be the same between Nato and Soviet rounds. Jacket thickness, composition, shape, weight, ect. Our QC is fairly tight so I suspect someone is blowing smoke when they try to blame Blackwater using this evidence. Looks like prosecutorial problems (trying to prove guilt with no evidence) to me. Are these the same folks that charged the Haditha Marines?
Posted by: tipover   2009-04-01 15:56  

#2  yeah they also appeared lodged into a black water truck that was disabbled. now why would they disable one of their own vehicles in a situation where they could possibly be hung from the nearest bridge?
Posted by: Mt Dew addiction   2009-04-01 14:13  

#1  The documents do not prove the government's argument that Blackwater was unprovoked. Nor do they prove that Blackwater was attacked.

Yup those strange .30 cal just appeared as if by magic, no reason to think they were attacked, nope, no evidence at all. (Moron investigators)
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2009-04-01 13:05  

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