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Afghanistan
More Afghan Civilians Killed While Shooting at US Forces
2009-03-22
Afghanistan (Reuters) -- Afghanistan said on Sunday it was deeply concerned about a U.S. military operation which killed five Afghans that police officials said were civilians, but U.S. forces insisted were militants.

The U.S. military said it killed five militants and detained four others, with the help of Afghan troops, in the northern province of Kunduz, which borders Tajikistan. "One militant was killed and one surrendered and was detained ... Forces returned fire and cleared the buildings on the compounds, resulting in four militants killed and three suspected militants detained," U.S. forces said in a statement.

The Interior Ministry described the dead as "our citizens" and said in a statement it would send a high profile delegation to Kunduz to investigate the raid. "Five of our citizens were killed ... they were killed in the house of the district mayor," the ministry said, adding that it "expressed its deep concern regarding the incident."
The obvious question is "What were Tali/AQ gunmen doing in the house of the mayor?"
U.S. forces also said the operation was "in coordination with local Afghan police" but a senior police official in Emamsaheb district, where the operation took place, told Reuters they were not involved, nor aware of the operation.
My bet: we were coordinated with Afghan police, but not the district police, because they were part of the problem we were attacking.
Colonel Abdulrahman Aqtash, head of security operations for Kunduz province, also said the dead were civilians working for the district mayor; two were his guards and three were his servants.

Julian said the individuals were given the chance by U.S. troops to exit their compound peacefully, but "they came out fighting and they died fighting ... It's very difficult to classify them as civilians under those conditions."
They were not in uniform, so they were civilians! Pay no attention to the AK-47 bullets they are shooting at you.
Colonel Julian said U.S. forces were in touch with the Interior Ministry and the Afghan chief of police and an investigation into the operation would take place.

On Thursday a raid against al Qaeda bomb-makers, in which foreign and Afghan troops killed two militants in east Afghanistan, led to angry protests by Afghans who said civilians had been killed in the operation.
These dead 'civilians' - terrible.
Separately, a roadside bomb attack hit a passing van, killing one passenger and wounding 11 others, just outside Khost city, close to the border with Pakistan, Daad Mohammad, an intelligence officer said.
These dead civilians - no big deal.
Posted by:Glenmore

#9  This is "warlord" country, where we have rarely conducted ops. You will recall that the "warlords" got the juicy positions in the NATO created govt and have mostly held on to them. The militias were supposed to have been dissolved but the non-Pashtuns have kept some party supplies for themselves in case of necessity.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins   2009-03-22 22:50  

#8  OTOH TOPIX > US CENTCOM: PAKISTAN AT RISK OF COLLAPSE WITHIN SIX MONTHS UNLESS US MAKES KEY CHANGES.

Also read, GREATER LOCAL US MILITARY PRESENCE/
INTERVENTION???

* PAKISTANI DEFENSE FORUM > CORE OF AL QAEDA IN PAKISTAN: + CHINA AND RUSSIA WELCOME IRAN, INDIA, PAKISTAN AND MONGOLIA TO THE SCO.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2009-03-22 21:32  

#7  civilians or not the company you keep can get you into alot of shit
Posted by: rabid whitetail   2009-03-22 19:30  

#6  Glenmore - kudos - headline and annotations of the day!

CrazyFool & DarthVader - excellent comments

Richard o' Oregon - excellent question. Used to ask this one m'self back in Eye-raq when I had the chance to talk with folks who did real work (i.e. provide free hot lead injections to needy locals). Don't recall that we did much documentation. Bizarre, when you consider the lengths the AQ and affiliated nitwits go to in order to film their glorious operations.
Posted by: Verlaine   2009-03-22 19:18  

#5  The lesson here is:

Don't shoot at US soldiers.
Posted by: DarthVader   2009-03-22 18:32  

#4  The Morale of the story: It is unsafe to shoot at U.S. Soldiers no matter who the f-k you think you are.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2009-03-22 18:28  

#3  Why don't we film more of these encounters? Seems like it may deflate a little of the propaganda.
Posted by: Richard of Oregon   2009-03-22 18:04  

#2  Five(5)? Start bitchin' when it's fifty(50). At a wedding party.
Posted by: Last Breath Farm Resident   2009-03-22 17:19  

#1   "they came out fighting and they died fighting ... It's very difficult to classify them as civilians under those conditions."

It would be much less difficult to classify them as illegal combatants and/or war criminals.
Posted by: Jurong Barnsmell7433   2009-03-22 16:58  

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