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Obama Planning U.S. Trials for Guantanamo Detainees
2008-11-10
The president-elect's advisers quietly craft a proposal to ship dozens, if not hundreds, of imprisoned terrorism suspects to the United States to face criminal trials

WASHINGTON -- President-elect Barack Obama's advisers are quietly crafting a proposal to ship dozens, if not hundreds, of imprisoned terrorism suspects to the United States to face criminal trials, a plan that would make good on his promise to close the Guantanamo Bay prison but could require creation of a controversial new system of justice.

During his campaign, Obama described Guantanamo as a "sad chapter in American history" and has said generally that the U.S. legal system is equipped to handle the detainees. But he has offered few details on what he planned to do once the facility is closed.

Under plans being put together in Obama's camp, some detainees would be released and many others would be prosecuted in U.S. criminal courts.

A third group of detainees -- the ones whose cases are most entangled in highly classified information -- might have to go before a new court designed especially to handle sensitive national security cases, according to advisers and Democrats involved in the talks.
Isn't that what we've been advocating the last six years?
The move would be a sharp deviation from the Bush administration, which established military tribunals to prosecute detainees at the Navy base in Cuba and strongly opposes bringing prisoners to the United States. Obama's Republican challenger, John McCain, had also pledged to close Guantanamo. But McCain opposed criminal trials, saying the Bush administration's tribunals should continue on U.S. soil.

The plan being developed by Obama's team has been championed by legal scholars from both political parties. But it is almost certain to face opposition from Republicans who oppose bringing terrorism suspects to the U.S. and from Democrats who oppose creating a new court system with fewer rights for detainees.

Laurence Tribe, a Harvard law professor and Obama legal adviser, said discussions about plans for Guantanamo had been "theoretical" before the election but would quickly become very focused because closing the prison is a top priority. Bringing the detainees to the United States will be controversial, he said, but could be accomplished. "I think the answer is going to be, they can be as securely guarded on U.S. soil as anywhere else," Tribe said. "We can't put people in a dungeon forever without processing whether they deserve to be there."

The tougher challenge will be allaying fears by Democrats who believe the Bush administration's military commissions were a farce and dislike the idea of giving detainees anything less than the full constitutional rights normally enjoyed by everyone on U.S. soil.

"There would be concern about establishing a completely new system," said Rep. Adam Schiff of California, a member of the House Judiciary Committee and former federal prosecutor who is aware of the discussions in the Obama camp. "And in the sense that establishing a regimen of detention that includes American citizens and foreign nationals that takes place on U.S. soil and departs from the criminal justice system -- trying to establish that would be very difficult."
Apparently hard if you're a Democrat. No one else seems to have a problem with it.
Obama has said the civilian and military court-martial systems provide "a framework for dealing with the terrorists," and Tribe said the administration would look to those venues before creating a new legal system. But discussions of what a new system would look like have already started.

"It would have to be some sort of hybrid that involves military commissions that actually administer justice rather than just serve as kangaroo courts," Tribe said. "It will have to both be and appear to be fundamentally fair in light of the circumstances. I think people are going to give an Obama administration the benefit of the doubt in that regard."

Though a hybrid court may be unpopular, other advisers and Democrats involved in the Guantanamo Bay discussions say Obama has few other options. Prosecuting all detainees in federal courts raises a host of problems. Evidence gathered through military interrogation or from intelligence sources might be thrown out. Defendants would have the right to confront witnesses, meaning undercover CIA officers or terrorist turncoats might have to take the stand, jeopardizing their cover and revealing classified intelligence tactics.

In theory, Obama could try to transplant the Bush administration's military commission system from Guantanamo Bay to a U.S. prison. But Tribe said, and other advisers agreed, that was "a nonstarter." With lax evidence rules and intense secrecy, the military commissions have been criticized by human rights groups, defense attorneys and even some military prosecutors who quit the process in protest.

"I don't think we need to completely reinvent the wheel, but we need a better tribunal process that is more transparent," Schiff said.
The whole point of trying these jokers was to be as opaque as possible: judge them quietly, don't release the evidence, don't open up sensitive sources, and ship them to a quiet place for a long time. They're not US citizens and they don't enjoy the protections of the Constitution.
That means something different would need to be done if detainees couldn't be released or prosecuted in traditional courts. Exactly what that something would look like remains unclear.

According to three advisers participating in the process, Obama is expected to propose a new court system, appointing a committee to decide how such a court would operate. Some detainees likely would be returned to the countries where they were first captured for further detention or rehabilitation. The rest could probably be prosecuted in U.S. criminal courts, one adviser said. All spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing talks, which have been private.

Whatever form it takes, Tribe said he expects Obama to move quickly. "In reality and symbolically, the idea that we have people in legal black holes is an extremely serious black mark," Tribe said. "It has to be dealt with."
Posted by:GolfBravoUSMC

#17  They are VICTIMS, under the brutal Bush adminstration, they've been denied basic human rights such as satellite TV and soft-serve ice cream. I'm sure Obama will correct this.
Posted by: DMFD   2008-11-10 21:11  

#16  JFM has it exactly right. THEY ARE NOT PRISONERS OF WAR! They are illegal combatants. They can be shot in the field after a summary court martial.
Most of them will probably be acquitted, since much of the evidence against them is based on classified sources. Since the only lawyers who will defend them will be security risks without clearances, they cannot see the evidence. Therefore they will demand that the charges be dropped. After that, since no country wants these animals, the terrorists will probably be set free, with a monthly stipend or a cash award for all the "torture" they have undergone.
Feh! Shoot the bastards in the field next time.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia   2008-11-10 18:07  

#15  They're not US citizens and they don't enjoy the protections of the Constitution.

Very true. I cannot argue with you about that but maybe if Bush had not screwed around for 7 years and actually did something wiht them in that time besides keep them locked up Obama would never have had a chance to do this.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam   2008-11-10 16:24  

#14   much as the newer theories of quantum physics override Newtonian physics, constitutional law has moved beyond strict constructionism toward the view that the Constitution is a relativistic living document.

Hey Tribe, don't screw with Newtonian physics. They work just fine. And don't screw with the Constitution. "Relativistic Constitution?" Whoaa!

I can see this guy is bucking for the Supreme Court.

Posted by: JohnQC   2008-11-10 16:15  

#13  Every single policy issue they will try to decide, it the exact opposite from what benefits America.

Having this bottom of the swamp crap filter through our justice system will ruin the justice system and radacalize the prisons (more).

It is a stupid idea. STUPID.
Posted by: newc   2008-11-10 15:43  

#12  Maybe Tribe and Obama can apply theories of quantum physics to the problem.
Posted by: tipper   2008-11-10 15:11  

#11  Maybe they can set up special "no go zones" for these prisoners, where Sharia will prevail, and where guards will not be allowed to venture, like in British jails. And maybe let them have silk sheets and slave girls.
Posted by: Some One Not The One   2008-11-10 14:56  

#10  One of the many catastrophes these idiots will cause. Gorelick for any job other than the Club Fed prison laundry?

I get sicker about this every day. Quite the opposite of coming to terms with it.

While many, especially those in uniform, deserve much better, it is very difficult to avoid the conclusion that the American people, and the foreigners ignorantly and ungratefully hostile to us when we're responsible and serious, are likely to get exactly what they deserve.
Posted by: Verlaine   2008-11-10 13:17  

#9  They're not US citizens and they don't enjoy the protections of the Constitution.

In fact not applying them the Geneva Convention (ie shooting them as unlawful combatants) bas only caused additional innocent deaths through the world.
Posted by: JFM   2008-11-10 10:32  

#8  They're not US citizens and they don't enjoy the protections of the Constitution.

Expect Justice Kennedy has repeatedly articulated otherwise. Which is why both SCOTUS and Congress need term limits.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2008-11-10 09:08  

#7  So will they be given bail too?
Posted by: CrazyFool   2008-11-10 08:35  

#6  There is the double problem that the US still has these scum because no other country will take them, and now Obama gets the joy of having "brought dozens or hundreds of terrorists onto US soil." Talk about a lose-lose.

It's likely that many of them will be acquitted, so will have to be turned loose in the US. That will be hugely popular.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2008-11-10 08:28  

#5  And he wants Jamie Gorelick for Attorney General. This is going to go very bad very quickly.
Posted by: Parabellum   2008-11-10 08:14  

#4  Sorry, forgot to close the srike.
Posted by: Free Radical   2008-11-10 06:49  

#3  "There would be concern about establishing a completely new system," said Rep. Adam Schiff of Law & Order California..."
Posted by: Free Radical   2008-11-10 06:48  

#2  Obama is expected to propose a new court system, appointing a committee to decide how such a catch & release court would operate.

Behold the ACLU Bar Mitzvah. They now have matured enough to run the military. There goes the interrogation of these virmin, and future "POW's as well." The "committee" will appoint defense council. Federal and State Pens will be ordered to construct Mosques, hire Islamic speaking guards, provide special chow, computers, etc.
Posted by: Besoeker   2008-11-10 06:46  

#1  Maybe they can sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom.
Posted by: Pliny the Middle-aged   2008-11-10 03:01  

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