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Ottawa fought teen terrorist's transfer to Gitmo
2008-07-11
A federal government official who dispatched an envoy to Guantanamo Bay to visit al-Qaeda suspect Omar Khadr says his department lost an early bid to keep the teenager out of the controversial U.S. prison camp. In an interview, Gar Pardy,
Pardy on, Gar!
the now retired head of consular programs for the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade, said that in 2002-03 "we were fighting for Omar [Khadr]," whom he regarded as too young for Guantanamo.
Such an awkward age, too old for the madrassa and too young for Gitmo.
"I wanted to use his age as the largest club we had to beat up the Americans on," Mr. Pardy said. But he added that Canadian initiatives to protect the prisoner's rights got lost among departments and officials with competing priorities.

Officials in Ottawa are bracing for the imminent release of classified DVDs showing Canadian-led interrogations of Mr. Khadr.

While pressure is building for Canada to repatriate the 21-year-old, Prime Minister Stephen Harper is standing firm. "Mr. Khadr is accused of very serious things. There is a legal process in the United States," Mr. Harper said in Japan yesterday. "He can make his arguments in that process."

The tapes were never supposed to be released but Foreign Affairs was ordered to disclose them after a Canadian judge, Mr. Justice Richard Mosley, agreed with lawyers for Mr. Khadr and, separately, with various news media including The Globe and Mail and CTV, that there was a justification. The footage promises a rare glimpse inside the secretive U.S. prison camp and Canada's intelligence-gathering practices.

Raised in Afghanistan in what's been called an "al-Qaeda family" of Canadian citizens, Mr. Khadr was shot and captured as a 15-year-old combatant during a July, 2002, battle in which he is alleged to have killed an American soldier.

In the months after his detention, Washington rejected Canada's first overtures concerning Mr. Khadr, Mr. Pardy said. "We were opposed to the transfer; we wanted him back here," said Mr. Pardy, who added that in September of 2002 DFAIT sent a diplomatic note to Washington urging that the then-teenager be kept out of Guantanamo Bay. "Our approach was we were going to try to leave him in Afghanistan." The bid failed. Mr. Khadr was soon sent to Cuba and the fallback plan, according to Mr. Pardy, was to figure out a way to get a Canadian envoy to "see Omar, touch him, talk to him a bit."
Sounds like a fun first date you had planned, Gar.

At the time, the Pentagon was saying Geneva Conventions, and not Vienna Conventions, were in play, which meant that foreign federal agents might get to see the prisoners, whereas foreign diplomats would not. Canada, like Britain and Australia, was left to come up with a way to work around that, Mr. Pardy said.

Calling the decision a "Hobson's choice" between not going at all and sending down someone with a security background, Mr. Pardy explained that he reached out across his department to its intelligence branch, to assign a 30-year veteran with a track record in Middle East postings to the job. "I wanted to get somebody like Jim Gould to go in there," Mr. Pardy said, describing his colleague as "more than a second-best [option]."

The idea was sellable to the Americans, but even so, "getting Gould down there was a hell of a battle," Mr. Pardy said. Mr. Gould - who is now retired and is not commenting - testified last year at the Senate committee on national security and defence. "I was the liaison officer in Washington for three years dealing with the American agencies in trading information," he said. "The more we have, the more we receive."

The problem with the Guantanamo visit, however, is that courts are now finding that intelligence imperatives may have overrode humanitarian considerations. Mr. Pardy suggests that DFAIT was even surprised to learn that the Canadian Security Intelligence Service - a much more active spy agency - would accompany Mr. Gould on his inaugural February, 2003, trip to Cuba. When Mr. Gould was interviewed about his first visit in a book on the Omar Khadr case, he said he was initially under orders from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency to let CSIS take the lead and not say anything during three days of interviews with Mr. Khadr.

Documents released this week show that Mr. Khadr cried during these interviews and ripped off his shirt, pointing to his bullet wounds, recanting any admissions he made as purely the product of "torture." Mr. Gould did make several observations as to the prisoner's physical and psychological condition, and also tried to secure some medical attention.

Other records released this week show that Mr. Gould was made privy to a U.S. criminal investigation task force's files concerning Mr. Khadr, and later asked the teenager questions about his family and armed jihad. During a March, 2004, solo visit, Mr. Gould was briefed that U.S. military officials had softened up the teenager with a sleep deprivation strategy in "an effort to make him more amenable and willing to talk," according to newly disclosed documents.

Because the interviews continued, DFAIT is being faulted - in stark language - for the overstep. "The practice described to the Canadian official in March, 2004, was, in my view, a breach of international human-rights law," ruled Judge Mosley in a decision released earlier this spring.

Foreign Affairs officials bristle at the stark language of the series of rulings. Mr. Pardy, who retired in late 2003, contends the judges may be missing the point. "What we were concerned with was what kind of medical treatment he was getting in Guantanamo," he said. And ultimately, the blame for what goes on in Guantanamo Bay, he says, rests with the government that created it. For the longest time, neither Congress nor the judicial system played their appropriate role under the Constitution," he said. "They were all saluting the executive."
Posted by:ryuge

#7  Thank you for the current Canadian government.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2008-07-11 16:56  

#6  #4 Please note that it was the Liberal government of the day that was ramrodding this effort in 2002 to 2003. Please also note that the CURRENT conservative minority government isn't having any of it.

Thank you.
Posted by: Canuckistan sniper   2008-07-11 16:54  

#5  #4 Actually, I believe that a firing squad is the preferred method of execution of illegal combatants.
Posted by: Rambler in California   2008-07-11 16:23  

#4  These people still don't get it. This POS had to actually GO to Afghanistan (since he was a Canadian citizen), take up arms against both the Afghanistan government AND the International forces, and actually SHOOT at someone. Since he a) wasn't a member of any recognized government military force,
b) wasn't wearing "distinguishing clothing", I.E. a uniform,
and c) was "waging war against recognized military forces of a recognized nation (or nations), he is NOT a prisoner of war (who have rights under the Geneva Convention), but an "unlawful combattant" - I.E., a "jihadi". He has NO "legal rights", and hanging him, regardless of his age, gender, nationality, language, or ethnic background, is a "permitted action" under the Laws of War. The Canadian military knows this; the Canadian civilian "government" doesn't have a clue.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2008-07-11 13:49  

#3   "I wanted to use his age as the largest club we had to beat up the Americans on,"

A quick Google would have shown the clown - "Oct 18, 2007 ... There are 73 Americans serving life sentences for crimes they committed when they were 13 or 14 years old.."

Welcome to the Great Sunny South were people believe if you do adult crimes, you do adult time. There are still people who believe in justice for the victim rather than hand wringing for the perp.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2008-07-11 10:26  

#2  "I wanted to use his age as the largest club we had to beat up the Americans on,"

They blow up so fast.
Posted by: Excalibur   2008-07-11 10:17  

#1  Mr. Gould was briefed that U.S. military officials had softened up the teenager with a sleep deprivation strategy in "an effort to make him more amenable and willing to talk," according to newly disclosed documents.

Was his head still attached when he was deprived of sleep?
Then don't bother me with that shit.
Posted by: tu3031   2008-07-11 10:08  

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