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Iraq
Iraqi officials outraged by U.S. raid in prime minister's hometown
2008-06-28
BAGHDAD, Iraq — Outraged Iraqi officials demanded an investigation into an early morning U.S. military raid Friday near the birthplace of Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki, saying the operation violated the terms of the handover of Karbala province to Iraqi security forces.

Karbala Gov. Oqeil al Khazaali said U.S. forces killed an unarmed civilian and arrested at least one person in the raid in the southern town of Janaja. The governor's brother, Hassanein al Khazaali, said late Friday that the Iraqi killed in the operation was a relative of the U.S.-backed prime minister.

The U.S. military command in Baghdad had no comment. Two senior aides to Maliki weren't available for comment; one was still in a meeting with the prime minister after midnight. The governor is said to belong to the prime minister's Dawa Party.

Iraqi officials in Karbala said the operation began at dawn Friday, when U.S. aircraft delivered dozens of American troops to the rural Shiite Muslim town of Janaja, which is populated mostly by members of the Maliki tribe.

Raed Shakir Jowdet, the Iraqi military commander of Karbala operations, said that four Apache helicopters and a jet fighter soared over the area. About 60 U.S. soldiers then stormed the town, "terrifying the families," he said.

Jowdet said that an unarmed civilian named Ali Abdulhussein was killed in his home. He added that the man detained in the operation, Hussein Nima, was visiting the area and didn't reside in Karbala.

"Not one Iraqi soldier took part in the airdrop, and the operation was not coordinated with any Iraqi authority," he said. "We are still looking for an answer as to why this has taken place, and we still have no logical explanation from the American forces."

Khazaali, the U.S.-allied governor, denounced the operation at a news conference, saying the U.S. military hadn't coordinated in advance with Iraqi forces, who assumed control of Karbala security in October 2007. The governor said the raid set "a dangerous precedent" for areas ostensibly under full Iraqi control.

"The airdrop confuses the agreements, and America should answer for this violation," Khazaali said.

Khazaali said the raid was based on false intelligence and that the U.S. military should "submit a report to clarify all the circumstances and to point out the killers and hand over the names of everyone who participated in the military operation in order for them to appear before the Iraqi judicial system."

At the time of the Karbala security handover, a joint statement from U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker and Army Gen. David Petraeus, the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, praised Iraqi security forces in Karbala for "operating independently."

"Iraqi Security Forces in Karbala have been successfully operating independently, maintaining their own security for the past three months," the October 2007 statement said. "Working with local government officials, they have demonstrated their readiness to assume responsibility for the province. Today this responsibility is theirs."

Also Friday, the U.S. military announced the arrest of a suspect in connection with a suicide attack that killed more than 20 people, including three U.S. Marines and two military interpreters, at a meeting of allied Sunni tribal leaders Thursday in the western Anbar province. The military statement didn't identify the suspect, who was described as belonging to an extremist cell.

In Baghdad, gunmen assassinated Judge Kamil al Shwaili, who presided over the Risafa appeals court, the judiciary announced Friday. Abdulsattar al Bairaqdar, a spokesman for the Iraqi judiciary, said the judge was killed on his way home from work Thursday afternoon. He added that more than 40 Iraqi judges have been killed since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.

Posted by:GolfBravoUSMC

#14  Mixing democracy with arabs is like mixing oil and water. Their koran tells them that sovereignty belongs to their fictitious deity, allah. Secularism is dying in the Middle East. Elections favor Islamofascists. Jews, Kurds, Mandeans, Berbers, Bedouins, Druze, Assyrians are the last national movements there. And they are all both under Islamofascist siege and without effective international support.

Support for sham ME democracies is the equivalent of signing a death warrant against 50,000,000 people who are not Arabs in blood or by conquest.

What if I am right and the secret al-Sistani jihad fatwahs are true? What if an uprising re-starts after a failed SOFA process? What if the majority of Iraqis want US troops out and Iranian Basij elements in? We outlawed Japanese Militarism, German Nazism and Iraq Baathism. Which one inspired the 9-11 atrocities? NONE. It was the same Wahabism and Khomenism that we indulge. Give them a chance? They had a chance and chose to elect a pro-Iranian government, constructed at huge American human and monetary costs.

Posted by: McZoid   2008-06-28 20:53  

#13  thanks OS that makes alot of sense. As always Rantburg U helps me to understand.
Posted by: Jan   2008-06-28 18:57  

#12  It's an 'honor' thing. Part of it is the old "how dare you enter the Sheik's tent without permission" and part of it is underlings trying to curry favor with Maliki. Hence the overheated remarks.

Had this happened anywhere else other than 'Sheik' Maliki's home-town, or if this had happened prior to Maliki ascending to a strong-horse position after Basra, the reaction would have been much less strident.

Posted by: Pappy   2008-06-28 18:52  

#11  I go with lotp on this one. I;ve worked with enough of the right peopel to know that there is a glimmer over there, and that if we can continue to excise the bad, and nurture the good, it will work out for the first time ever in that tribal region.


As to the Iraqis being loud about this: They are "saving face" with the public whinging which they have to do to appear "manly" by standing up to the US - and playing to the US Press about the "justice system". But betcha a good dinner that behind closed doors they will be thanking the US commanders for taking out someone they couldn't politically touch.



Posted by: OldSpook   2008-06-28 17:20  

#10  Khazaali said the raid was based on false intelligence and that the U.S. military should 'submit a report to clarify all the circumstances and to point out the killers and hand over the names of everyone who participated in the military operation in order for them to appear before the Iraqi judicial system.'

Kidding me right? This 'Iraqi Judicial System' is quite the oxymoron don't cha think.

He added that the man detained in the operation, Hussein Nima, was visiting the area and didn't reside in Karbala.

yeah he was only visiting his long lost cousin. Just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Where have I heard this before.

About 60 U.S. soldiers then stormed the town, "terrifying the families," he said.

this is the mindset that I have a hard time understanding. Our guys terrify them and are referred to as killers, but to the many insurgents that rape and pillage they are looked upon as the good guys? Why don't more Iraqi's see that we are trying to help them. Probably just more uneducated followers to some charasmatic mullah again. (Although, I see this in our own country with Obama) Drives me nuts.
Posted by: Jan   2008-06-28 13:48  

#9  
#4 = well put lotp! ~;)
Posted by: RD   2008-06-28 12:17  

#8  Yeah. Although my experience doing business in the middle east with both Arab countries and Israel doesn't leave me with naive optimism.
Posted by: lotp   2008-06-28 11:58  

#7  Lotp, you really believe this?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2008-06-28 11:43  

#6  Someone's following the money flow out of Iran and tagging the owners of bank accounts [or the equivalent]?
Posted by: Procopius2k   2008-06-28 09:45  

#5  Obviously it was a hit. The much beloved Phoenix Program in Vietnam served the same function: to located and eradicate traitors with high or protected positions in government.

And it worked very well. When they would identify a traitor, they would kidnap him, use ARVN troops to extract information, then execute him. Then they would take down his whole ring, often in a "night of the long knives" operation.

It was what destroyed the Viet Cong and forced them to conduct the Tet Offensive, which wiped them out.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2008-06-28 09:24  

#4  McZoid, that country has a fledgling representative government. At the time Saddam was taken down, over 78% of the country had been born under his rule Until 2003 they had zero experience of any other way of ruling. Compared to him, Maliki's a big improvement. It's not going to be all Jefferson and Founding Fathers immediately over there.

Hell, it wasn't all Jefferson and Founding Fathers over here at first either -- as women and slaves were quite aware. And that's with a governing class that were steeped in English common law and parliamentary traditions.

Still, our historic and so far successful experiment in liberty, dignity and representative government has been worth it. There's a good chance Iraq's will be too if given both the chance and some nudging on major issues.

Which is what Petraeus is doing -- including with this raid.
Posted by: lotp   2008-06-28 08:48  

#3  It's going to take a few days for the posturing to die down and the facts to come out.
Posted by: gorb   2008-06-28 01:35  

#2  Well, was there an agreement, or not? Agreements need to stick, otherwise there's not much point.
Posted by: gromky   2008-06-28 00:58  

#1  That filthy country doesn't have a democracy. Islamofascist clerics supported the usual Middle East swine for office. Iraq's leaders - outside of Kurdistan - are all members of the Arab genocide pack.
Posted by: McZoid   2008-06-28 00:38  

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