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Afghanistan
Marines battle Taliban in Helmand province
2008-05-16
American jarheads are either prudently pacifying a swath of Helmand province or kicking out the doors and ratcheting up the insurgency.

Depends on whom you ask.

From the distance of the capital, it's impossible to confirm anything firsthand. But the commander of the 24th U.S. Marine Expeditionary Unit came all the way to Kabul yesterday, both to proclaim initial combat success and to quash reports of extensive hardship visited upon a fleeing populace.

According to Lt.-Col. Kent Hayes, the known scorecard reads thusly:

Marine casualties: 0.

Civilian casualties: 0.

Displaced persons: "Very, very few."

Those citizens, Hayes adds, were already on the move when Marines set out to clear key transit routes – for arms and fighters crossing over the border from Pakistan, just to the south – in Garmser district. "I can't even speculate as to the reason why, or where they went. I can tell you that they have not been leaving from any area that we have control over."

While Hayes wouldn't give out Taliban body counts from the past fortnight, the provincial governor puts the figure at 150, most of them allegedly foreign fighters.

Hayes merely agrees not to quibble with that. "As practice, the Marines don't use that as our way of determining success. We judge our success by what our mission was. The bottom line is, we fight them, we defeat them."

British troops, who have charge of Helmand under the International Security Assistance Force – Canadians next door in Kandahar – had not been able to secure that area.

The U.S. Marines, 2,400 strong and many of them battle-hardened from combat in Iraq, were recently parachuted in at the urging of NATO, desperate for fighting-capable reinforcement.

When asked by the Star, Hayes refused to specify what the Marines have done in the past two weeks to push back and apparently discombobulate Taliban forces. "I can tell you what our partners in the coalition have done. They've done very well. But we were given a mission. We've gone out there and we've succeeded. We are making great ground."

Hayes did agree that the Taliban are shoving back hard, which is a rarity since the insurgents avoid conventional confrontations, unable to counter heavy weapons and supporting air strikes. "They are consistently engaging us in small numbers. It's just continual, constant contact. And we're defeating them. What we have set out to do, we have accomplished."

No Afghan troops have been involved in this mission.

Hayes insists the effectiveness of the aggressive American approach is already evident on the ground. "We have seen that they are starting to have trouble reinforcing and getting arms."

Intelligence gathered, some of it from Afghan military authorities, indicates the Taliban are pulling in their own reinforcements from other districts, perhaps other volatile southern provinces, maybe inadvertently easing the threat in places such as Kandahar, though this remains to be seen. "Because we've seen fighters coming in from other areas, the rest of Helmand, rather than from just around Garmser, that is telling us about the success we're having, that we are affecting and disrupting them," said Hayes. "We are defeating the enemy when they oppose us and, when they reinforce, we're defeating them as well."

Garmser has long been used as a planning, staging and logistics hub by the neo-Taliban. Choking off Garmser is the Marines' mission, though some diplomatic – even military – observers have questioned the long-term impact of a muscular offensive that alienates the local population.

Non-verified reports have painted a picture of extensive civilian displacement, innocent casualties and aggressive Marine tactics, all of it arousing anti-American sentiment. Hayes insists these reports are untrue, saying no civilians have been killed or wounded and Marines aren't busting into households that present no threat.

But there is a ... but. "We do not enter a compound or a structure unless we are receiving fire or the enemy is using it as a haven and we have positively identified them as an enemy. We have a very disciplined targeting process that's designed to strike valid military targets and to avoid damage to civilian property and unnecessary loss of life."

UNAMA, the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan, has sent a team to the area to gather quantifiable data. In the present vacuum of information, the guesstimates of displaced people have ranged wildly. The Afghan Red Cross and other aid agencies claim – without supporting evidence – that up to 4,200 families have fled the region since the end of April, some of them living in open desert.

British officials in Helmand, meanwhile, report only two families displaced, according to sources. "The range of figures you are hearing should tell you how unreliable figures are at the moment," said Mark Laity, spokesperson for NATO's senior civilian representative in Afghanistan.

Added Aleem Siddique, chief spokesperson for UNAMA: "In our experience, early figures are always way overinflated. But we just don't know yet."

Further, "displacement" in such circumstances often refers to a brief abandoning of homes, with residents returning after a few days.

There is no indication how long this Marine-led operation will last or how far south the Taliban will be chased. "This is the start," said Hayes. "We started in Garmser. As far as ending it, I will tell you that it's not time-driven. We will leave Garmser at the time and place of our choosing."
Posted by:Fred

#14  Bush may be pulliing an ace out ofhis ass . BY maybe telling the pakis to start a scuffle so they have too meve their fighters and weapons alot more over rugged terrain
Posted by: sinse   2008-05-16 19:55  

#13  Gordon Brown? (Not Duncan)

umm ... yeah. Sorry - been dealing with a Duncan Brown on a different matter lately.
Posted by: lotp   2008-05-16 19:44  

#12  I wonder if specialty troops are capable of simple forensics? A finding of gunpowder residue on a turbaned Pashto would do it for me.

Simpler solution, do as the ruskies did in chechnya v.2, and check fighting-age males for a shoulder bruise due to repeated firing with a rifle, IIRC.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2008-05-16 15:12  

#11  Gordon Brown? (Not Duncan)
Not that it matters, he'll soon be gone.
Question is, will his successor be any better?
Probably not.
Posted by: Peter Carroll   2008-05-16 14:17  

#10  Reminder: non-uniformed combatants aren't covered by the Geneva Convention. Summary execution would be legal.

I wonder if specialty troops are capable of simple forensics? A finding of gunpowder residue on a turbaned Pashto would do it for me. But a wallet photo of bin Laden would really cap it.
Posted by: Galactic Coordinator Sleting2341   2008-05-16 13:53  

#9  Oue enemy is Pakistan backed like it or not Mr Bush!!!!!

Y'know, if we formed a Brigade of armchair-generals...
Posted by: Pappy   2008-05-16 12:24  

#8  yup, NS.

War makes for complex alliances, dont it? Hard to be pure.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2008-05-16 12:01  

#7  Similar can be said of Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2008-05-16 11:29  

#6  Oue enemy is Pakistan backed like it or not Mr Bush!!!!!

Mr. Bush is quite aware of that fact, Paul. He's also aware that there are advantages to pretending that the central government in Pakistan is NOT on the side of the Taliban. For one thing, that gives him room to maneuver a little there. Musharif isn't a very reliable ally - even worse than Duncan Brown or some on the Continent, for instance. But Bush managed to strongarm him into allowing us to do the occasional interdiction / UAV strike across the border from Afghanistan, which would NOT have gone unprotested if others had been in power there.

More importantly, the over-land supply lines through Pakistan have been an important logistical support to our activities in Afghanistan. Don't underestimate what has been achieved WRT Pakistan since 2001. We'll miss it greatly if (probably when) it crumbles.
Posted by: lotp   2008-05-16 11:23  

#5  I think the Marines will clean house, but we still have a problem of having about two brigades too few of them. I hope Congress will continue to fund and support the additional troops it authorized in the last session - we need 'em.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2008-05-16 11:06  

#4  
The U.S. Marines, 2,400 strong and many of them battle-hardened from combat in Iraq, were recently parachuted in....


Parachuted in? Huh?
Posted by: Matt   2008-05-16 10:30  

#3  for arms and fighters crossing over the border from Pakistan

Oue enemy is Pakistan backed like it or not Mr Bush!!!!!
Posted by: Paul   2008-05-16 10:12  

#2  "We are defeating the enemy when they oppose us and, when they reinforce, we're defeating them as well."

Up yoursÂ…Turban Boyz!
Posted by: DepotGuy   2008-05-16 09:00  

#1  the Taliban are pulling in their own reinforcements from other districts, perhaps other volatile southern provinces, maybe inadvertently easing the threat in places such as Kandahar

A key point, although the word inadvertently strikes a false note, given what I know about the U.S. Marines.
Posted by: trailing wife    2008-05-16 07:39  

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