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NY court: Saudi billionaire can pursue British claims in the US
2008-03-04
The author of a book about financing terrorism cannot prevent a Saudi billionaire from trying to enforce a London libel verdict in the United States, a US federal appeals court said Monday.

The Saudi businessman, Khalid Salim A. Bin Mahfouz, has made claims against authors and journalists more than two dozen times over writings on terrorism and those who fund it, including Manhattan author Rachel Ehrenfeld's 2003 book, "Funding Evil: How Terrorism is Financed - and How to Stop It."

Ehrenfeld wrote that Bin Mahfouz and his family provided financial support to al-Qaida and other "Islamist terror groups."

The 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals on Monday rejected Ehrenfeld's lawsuit to stop the Bin Mahfouz from trying to collect on a default judgment obtained against Ehrenfeld in London.
Posted by:Fred

#18  USN - suck it. Boeing pushed a shitty airframe they aren't even going to make anymore, and didn't meet the specs the UASF put out. Typical Boeing arrogance; "we don't care what you want, this is what we build". The idiots went with the 767, which didn't have the range the AF wanted, and Boeing countered with "It can operate closer to the action" from more local bases.

DUH! Tankers job is to stay the hell OUT of those things, operate form the US, drop cargo, gas up planes, and go back home. Boeing kinda said "Screw you we'll tell you how to run tankers". So no wonder the USAF tossed em out.

Had they even a single working brain cell the KC-777 would have been a winner - except for the fact that Boeing's production lines for the 777 are having issues an are falling behind.

Boeing blows and deserved to lose. Boeing should never have let all those MD execs take such a primary role in ruining running the company. Boeing is supposedly a "systems integration" company - and cannot manage the biggest integration job handed them in a while. The same Boeing who was responsible for parts of that failed billion dollar satellite. The same Boeing who couldn't even get a 28 mi segment of "virtual fence" organized for $60 million in contract.

Right now Boeing couldn't integrate a stack of friggen Legos. So they deserved to lose this contract.

So, NG cleaned their damned clock. Grabbed an Airbus design (the only non-Boeing thing left that size) that met the specs, and converted into a tanker that operates exactly how the USAF wanted it to. And FYI, 60% of the aircraft (including the GE engines and all the flight electronics, as well as the boom and tanks and lots of other important stuff) is 100% made here in the US, and 100% of the assembly, spares and maint are here in the US. And money-wise, close to 80% of the money is stateside, which will grow even further when the main contracts come on line.

As for it being Euro? NG is running it. US Company. Maybe you heard of them - they make Aircraft Carriers and other Navy ships, as well as other defense items.

And we have a long history of using parts form other countries when its suitable.

Personally speaking I never had an issue with the M256 Cannon - that is to say the 120mm Rheinmetall smoothbore on the M1A1-2, nor did I ahve an issue with the British derive Chobham armor, nor the Isreali designed reactive armor plates, etc. Those damned foreigner's products got me home safe and killed the bad guys.

And if you think NG is "a whore", then why not piss and moan about the CVN's or Predators they build - or the USS New York, whose workers came back in after Katrina and lived in company provided trailers, pulling 14 hour days - VOLUNTARILY - to keep that ship on schedule.

You stepped over the line.

Back on topic;

I can bet this goes to the supreme court, it gets tossed. No way someone else's libel laws can be enforced here - first amendment blankets a lot of this.
Posted by: Old Spook   2008-03-04 20:59  

#17  He wouldn't be able to challenge the merits of the judgment here in the US Courts. That horse left the barn in England.

Under the uniform provisions I expect exist, the reverse would be true if a valid US judgment had entered by default in a US Court, and was sought to be enforced in England.
Posted by: cingold   2008-03-04 18:11  

#16  Haven't researched this . . . so take it with a grain of salt, or more. My guess is that there are uniform enforcement of judgment provisions that cause US judgments to be recognized in England, and vice versa. So, if the judgment in England is valid under English law, it will be recognized and enforced here in the US.

Best guess is that Ehrenfeld will have to argue against the validity of the English judgment [but it looks like he lost that fight in US District Court and that order was upheld on appeal -- i.e., they would not permit a collateral attack on the judgment]; or, he better hightail it to England and move to reopen the English case under some sort of "excusable neglect" "substantial fairness" theory.
Posted by: cingold   2008-03-04 18:08  

#15  Judges, rope, lamp post, some assembly required.
Posted by: SR-71   2008-03-04 17:00  

#14  So how is this any different that the USAF giving away jobs and dollars to subsidize Airbust? And NGC is just another whore, selling out. Leroy would not have done this.
(Waves the Boeing Flag as the ship of state sinks)
Posted by: USN, Ret.   2008-03-04 16:08  

#13  The next stage: US federal appeals court upholds a decision by a Saudi Sharia court...
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2008-03-04 15:38  

#12  IIRC, British Libel laws are much more directed at the person pursuing the case than against the defendant. The Brits don't have a First Amendment that has to be protected. It's time to tell the Brits that they can do anything they want in their country, but any such attempt to force us to obey those decisions will get us back into the same mood we expressed in 1776 and 1812.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2008-03-04 13:58  

#11  "Is a civil judgement that different? " It is when it involves basic rights.
Posted by: Bob Glinesh1811   2008-03-04 12:42  

#10  Could be reeling him in, nice and slooooowwww....
Posted by: M. Murcek   2008-03-04 11:31  

#9  Amazon has it for $5.60 used, or $5.68 without cofee stains and finger prints. If Khalid is successful, this could be an investment, as well as a fine read.
Posted by: Tholush Squank4616   2008-03-04 10:55  

#8  New York passes law against 'libel tourists'
The state will protect authors against foreign libel judgments after a US journalist was sued by a Saudi businessman in London


Now that's more like it!
Posted by: Icerigger   2008-03-04 09:38  

#7  Screwed up.
Posted by: Icerigger   2008-03-04 09:35  

#6  I'm for brining the fight here so it can be waged in a American court. The Saudi will need to prove his point, and they can't since they are dirty as hell.
Posted by: DarthVader   2008-03-04 09:15  

#5  The EUros won't extradite a terrorist if he faces the death penalty. There's a real question in my mind why we should support foreign Star Chambers in the repression of First Amendment rights. This is a political fight worth waging.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2008-03-04 08:45  

#4  This may be a two-edged sword. While the judge is correct that US England reciprocity agreements have to be permitted to be pursued for enforcement, this might allow the case to be re-opened to some degree.

Since it is a civil case, the author can claim that to award the judgment would be "unconscionable", so terribly unjust that it could be reduced to a nominal sum, like $1, or set aside altogether.

We shall see.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2008-03-04 08:41  

#3  If Ehrenfeld was found guilty of a crime in Britain, even of something not a crime in the US, we would extradite, right? When Libyans blew up the plane over Lockerbie the US froze their national assets even though that act wasn't an obvious crime in Libya. Is a civil judgement that different? Ehrenfeld has been found liable by British courts, so does being in the US or having assets in the US shield them from that liability, regardless of the case behind the liability? I don't think the US retries cases decided by courts of allies so I would not bet against the US 2nd Court's decision.
Posted by: Glenmore   2008-03-04 07:32  

#2  This can't stand.
Posted by: danking70   2008-03-04 01:23  

#1  So a U.S. court is upholding/enforcing a Brit libel verdict in the U.S. that the Saudi terrorist financier could never have gotten in the U.S! Something is very, very wrong here. Any RB legal beagles out there who can 'splain this one?
Posted by: PBMcL   2008-03-04 00:55  

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