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Muslims want uni classes to fit prayer times
2008-02-25
MUSLIM university students want lectures to be rescheduled to fit in with prayer timetables and separate male and female eating and recreational areas established on Australian campuses.
No.
International Muslim students, predominantly from Saudi Arabia, have asked universities in Melbourne to change class times so they can attend congregational prayers. They also want a female-only area for Muslim students to eat and relax.
Hell no.
But at least one institution has rejected their demands, arguing that the university is secular and it does not want to set a precedent for requests granted in the name of religious beliefs.
Good for them.
La Trobe University International chief executive director John Molony said several students had approached the Bundoora institution about rearranging class times to fit in with daily prayers.

Mr Molony said the university was attempting to "meet the needs" of an increasing number of Muslim international students, including doubling the size of the prayer room on campus.
Is that a non-demoninational room that anyone can book and use, or has it been taken over?
La Trobe University International College director Martin Van Run said that although it was involved in discussions with the Muslim students who had made the requests, the university was not planning to change any timetables. "That would seriously inconvenience other people at the college and it is not institutionally viable," he told The Australian. "We are a secular institution ... and we need to have a structured timetable."

Mr Van Run said that Saudi students were fully aware that the university was secular before coming to study there. "They know well in advance the class times," he said.
Even better: if you want to attend the university, you fit your schedule to theirs. Or stay home.
A spokesman for RMIT University would neither confirm nor deny reports that Muslim students had requested timetable changes.

One university source told The Australian that the requests by Muslim international students for timetable changes included a petition. "Some of the students would prefer that lecture times were organised so it would be easy for them to attend prayers," he said. "But it wouldn't be a good precedent to set."

Islamic leaders yesterday backed the push by Muslim students to have their lectures arranged to accommodate prayer sessions, but said such a move would be essential only for congregational Friday prayers.

Female Muslim leader Aziza Abdel-Halim said yesterday it was a religious duty for those who followed Islam to preach with their fellow believers on Fridays.
Guess you'll just have to make up the work. Or make up prayer.
But the former senior member of John Howard's Muslim reference board said there was nothing in Islam that indicated men and women be segregated when it came to educational activities. "There's nothing in Islam that says there should be complete segregation, especially in educational institutions," said Sister Abdel-Halim.

She said afternoon prayers for Muslims - Zhohor, at 1.10pm, and Asr, at 4.50pm - could be performed until 10 minutes before the following daily prayer, so it was more appropriate to alter prayer times than lecture schedules. "It's reasonable to ask for the lectures to be shifted around on Friday," Sister Abdel-Halim said. "But if it's going to cause havoc with the timetable, I don't think it's really feasible to ask forevery single prayer to be catered for."
It's not even 'reasonable' to shift lectures on Friday, unless you make way for the Benedectine prayers as well.
Posted by:tipper

#7  I just read at Dhimmi Watch that the muslims at Harvard University have convinced the administration to initiate "women only" hours at the (heretofor) campus co-ed gym. This concession is made to accomodate the sensibilities of the muslim women on Harvard's campus who say they are uncomfortable working out in the presence of men.

There are no plans to institute "men only" gym hours presumabaly because that would be deemed discriminatory toward women. Hmmm.

A "press release" of sorts was put out by email by the Harvard Islamic Society announcing the latest infidel accomodation to the religion of peace. The issue came to light when it was learned that mulsim women on Harvard's campus felt they were being denied full access to the campus gym because the mulsim women felt uncomfortable using the gym facilities in the presence of men.

(I suppose as a practical matter it makes sense to have muslim women only gym hours. Most of the men during co-ed hours won't be marriage material anyway since most men are not first cousins or are infidels unlikely to voluntarily convert to islam).

The Harvard Islamic Society press release assures all non-muslim women on Harvard's campus that THEY are still welcome to attend the "women only" gym hours. Why? Because as everyone knows: islam is the religion of peace and tolerance. The presense of any non-muslim women in the gym during restricted hours will be (grudgingly) tolerated. How nice and multi-culti of the muslim women.

I don't know when it will happen, but I wouldn't be surprised to read in the near future that Harvard's Islamic Society demands separate but equal gym facilities be built on campus for men and women. Just like in the "old country": Let's all go islam: BACK to the FUTURE.

I'm cetain the muslim women on Harvard's campus are happy and find this all very liberating. So many muslim women tell us that wearing the hijab is liberating, right? Segregation = Liberation in the mind of your typical muslim (so long as the infidel is paying the jizya, mind you).

Spit.

Posted by: MarkZ   2008-02-25 16:43  

#6  Sorry. Guess you'll have to go to school somewhere else?
How about Pakistan?
Posted by: tu3031   2008-02-25 13:01  

#5  
Once you've satisfied those demands we'll be back with some more.


That is as succinct and precise as any commentary on Islam can be.
Posted by: Abu do you love   2008-02-25 12:51  

#4  "If I miss a prayer in the morning, I pray twice at night. Allah is very understanding."
Posted by: mojo   2008-02-25 12:50  

#3  ...and another thing we want: Build a minaret over the prayer room on campus and hire an authentic muezzin to recite the adhan (call to prayer) by loud speaker. Once you've satified those demands we'll be back with some more.
Posted by: MarkZ   2008-02-25 12:31  

#2  All final exams should be given at precisely 1.10pm and 4.50pm.
Posted by: ed   2008-02-25 08:58  

#1  Yah, and I want a permanent Jewish and Christian presence in the Holy Lands. Will the Muslims deliver recognition? If they don't like our secularism, then can go back where they came from.
Posted by: McZoid   2008-02-25 04:26  

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