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Britain
'My fire crew was punched and beaten'
2008-02-12
Same as in France; I wonder it's it's a common chav/lad/droog thing, or a Youth™ thing like here?
Firefighters are facing a daily threat of being ambushed, shot at, stabbed and abused, according to the Fire Brigades Union, and the number of such attacks in England and Wales are on the up.

Watch manager John Cartwright says in his 19-year firefighting career, he has been on the receiving end of violence and abuse too many times to mention. "It does happen a lot. I've been spat at, had stones thrown at me, verbal abuse and once had a vodka bottle chucked at me," he said.

The worst of these attacks was several years ago when he was called out to a large bonfire in Greater Manchester on Good Friday. "A group of about 30 teenagers had built a fire, taking fence panels from people's gardens. It was somewhere for them to sit and drink alcohol on a bank holiday.

"They had obviously been drinking, there were cans and bottles around and even young children, some as young as 12, were running through the fire.

"We decided to extinguish the fire for their own safety, but as the last elements went out they started the attack. About six youths jumped on top of one of the firefighters, and were punching him. We pulled them off and retreated slowly."

But the youngsters had started throwing missiles at the fire engines and heavy stones and garden ornaments at us, he said. "It was scary in the fact that it was bricks and bottles being thrown and it was unrelenting," he said.

One firefighter was hit in the back, and another was struck by a large wine bottle on the elbow. But, unable to board their fire engine, the crew held out until the police arrived when the sight of a police van sent the youngsters running.

Most escaped but three were caught - one was given an Asbo and the other two detained for six months, Mr Cartwright said.

Had the incident put him or his colleagues off the job? "In my personal experience, I don't think it has. It's a part of the job that we do and sometimes it's unpleasant," he said. "I honestly believe in this case the youths were not aware of the consequences."

They would not have realised their actions had meant an engine was taken out of service and attendance times to other fires were reduced, he said. On some calls an extra vehicle will be sent out so one crew can watch the others' backs as they work, he explained.

Mr Cartwright suggested this trend for targeting firefighters took off in 1996 after a major fire at Carpet World in Salford. "It was the first time it hit the news that firefighters had been attacked. That summer it got worse. It seemed to be the most popular thing to do - to call the fire brigade out and attack them.

"I don't understand why, but it became the 'in thing' to do."
Posted by:anonymous5089

#19  Reply: the world belongs to Allah, and we are his viceregents.

People have actually said that to your face, Captain Ebbuth9710? Where does one meet such people, so I can be sure not to go there?
Posted by: trailing wife   2008-02-12 19:40  

#18  buy more mosquito netting then?

DDT.
Posted by: Glenmore   2008-02-12 19:15  

#17  lets put that money that obama wants too put towards global poverty and buy more mosquito netting then?
Posted by: sinse   2008-02-12 17:53  

#16  Haven't you seen UK troops taking molotov coctail hits from protesters and then doing nothing about it? I would blow away any belligerent who held a gas bomb within 50 feet of me.

As for the situation in France (Sweden, Netherlands, Italy, Germany, et al) it is Muslims who enforce "dar-Islam" prohibitions against hated kafirs. I have asked several Muslims to their face: if you hate us, why you go back home where you can hate us from a distance? Reply: the world belongs to Allah, and we are his viceregents. They are like human mosquitos
Posted by: Captain Ebbuth9710   2008-02-12 16:18  

#15  Calmed down a bit.

Can't just let it burn - those doing this on purpose probably are not doing it in their backyard.

Perhaps a Pro Pack or other quick attachment device infusing dye and a stink agent (antidote at the station for the Fire Fighters) to mark the goons who do this.

Fire Axes, Pikes, Hooligan and other entry tools along with the basic tournout clothing could turn a group into a formidable medieval squad.

BTW, arn't the police supposed to be there first to check out the situation?
Posted by: swksvolFF   2008-02-12 14:35  

#14  Oh, it's OK. They just not old enough to know what they're doingTM.

Or whatever else justifies running away from the problem.
Posted by: gorb   2008-02-12 14:35  

#13  If there was every a reason to shoot this is it. If you attack a fireman doing his duty you should be burned alive. This is sick nonsense that threatens everyone.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2008-02-12 14:11  

#12  My father's crew had to use it as a weapon a few times back in the bad old days.

That sounds like an interesting story, tu3031.
Posted by: trailing wife   2008-02-12 12:18  

#11  Let their rotted neighborhoods burn. Or, put a 50 cal. on each engine, and use it "sparingly". If used, bring on the pumpers, to clean the streets of all evidence, per Pakkies example. Should work fine.
Posted by: Woozle Elmeter 2907   2008-02-12 11:33  

#10  Fire Axes make wonderful melee weapons.

Just sayin.
Posted by: OldSpook   2008-02-12 10:52  

#9  The worst of these attacks was several years ago when he was called out to a large bonfire in Greater Manchester on Good Friday.
...

"A group of about 30 teenagers had built a fire, taking fence panels from people's gardens. It was somewhere for them to sit and drink alcohol on a bank holiday.


Good Friday is a BANK holiday? Maybe that's part of the problem.
Posted by: eLarson   2008-02-12 10:49  

#8  ..and fill it with class A foam to give them the stink finger as well. Or an axe and pike charge...
Posted by: swksvolFF   2008-02-12 10:45  

#7  tu3031, i was about too say the same thing . hit their asses in the face with the hose i bet they won't be throwing shit nec=xt time, if they are out of the hospital yet
Posted by: sinse   2008-02-12 10:44  

#6  Shoot them all. Shoot them every time this happens. The problem is soon resolved one way or the other.

The alternative is chaos.
Posted by: Excalibur   2008-02-12 10:06  

#5  A fully charged 2 1/2 inch hoseline can do a lotta damage. My father's crew had to use it as a weapon a few times back in the bad old days. And it never failed...
Posted by: tu3031   2008-02-12 09:41  

#4  ACTUAL Solution = pump more money into the 'hoods, apply affirmative action to make the local city employees more "diverses", tell the firefighter (policemen, EMT crews,...) it's "part of the job", and build sport facilities, libraries, social centers,... which will eventually be torched.

Efficiency, not idleness

fadela amara was to announce her new plan (for the 'hoods), but it's sarkozy who did it after all, while his ministers were left standing looking pretty next to him. As usual, the goal is to be efficient :

THE ANTI-IDLENESS PLAN OF FADELA AMARA : MONIES FOR THE 'HOODS
"We burn the bills directly, rather than buying bus, and burning those bus"


Posted by: anonymous5089   2008-02-12 09:35  

#3  Solution = Airguard on the fire truck with a Mossberg pump, # 6 shot, and orders to shoot.
Posted by: Besoeker   2008-02-12 08:49  

#2  It's a part of the job that we do and sometimes it's unpleasant

WTF?! So what isn't part of the job?
Posted by: gorb   2008-02-12 08:32  

#1  "I don't understand why, but it became the 'in thing' to do."

It's because your society is sick and dying. The bitter fruits of rampant multiculturalism combined with a "all is permitted, nothing is wrong" attitude.
Posted by: gromky   2008-02-12 08:29  

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