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| Chavez: Take FARC off terror list |
| 2008-01-13 |
| Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez called Friday for Europe to remove from its list of terrorist organizations two Colombian groups -- including FARC, the group that freed two hostages Thursday in a mission Chavez organized. During his televised State of the Union speech, Chavez -- an outspoken enemy of the Bush administration -- insisted Europe includes the two groups on its terror list only because of "pressure" from the United States, which also names them on its list of foreign terrorist organizations. "I request from the governments of the continent that they will remove the FARC and the ELN," Chavez said. FARC, the leftist Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, has been blamed for numerous attacks and holds about 750 hostages, according to Colombian government estimates. ELN, the National Liberation Army, the second-largest rebel group in Colombia, also is blamed for killings, kidnappings, and other attacks. This week the Colombian government announced the capture of Carlos Marin Guarin, known by the alias "Pablito," alleged to have commanded roughly half the ELN force. Both FARC and ELN are on the European Union's list of groups and individuals believed linked to terrorism. "I will ask Europe to remove the ELN and the FARC from the list of terrorist groups in the world, because that only has one source: the pressure of the United States," Chavez said. He argued, "I say this even though somebody might be bothered by it: the FARC and the ELN are not terrorist groups. They are armies, real armies ... that occupy a space in Colombia." He added that the two groups' "insurgent forces" have a goal, "a project," that is "Bolivarian" and that "we respect." Chavez said his nation is committed to bringing about peace in Colombia, a task that means "we must continue to work at the various levels" with FARC and ELN. "No one should be bothered by it. It is absolutely essential to do so. Who can think of the possibility of a peace accord when there is no contact with the parties involved," he asked. |
| Posted by:Fred |
| #12 Do we haveta take 'em offa the "Coke Smuggling Scum" list too? |
| Posted by: Woozle Unineque5388 2008-01-13 22:51 |
| #11 He got bad feed-back for negotiating with terror groups... So he wants to change their "rating." Yeah... That will fix it... lol. So, give him 24-hrs...And like a U.S. Democrat; if you didn't like it, he'll flip-flop. |
| Posted by: MB 2008-01-13 21:20 |
| #10 Why don't we just add Venezuela (especially Oogo) to the terrorist list, instead of removing ELN and FARC? They seem to have so very much in common... |
| Posted by: Old Patriot 2008-01-13 14:17 |
| #9 How about we take FARC off the terrorist list, and replace it with CITGO? |
| Posted by: Redneck Jim 2008-01-13 13:02 |
| #8 sure is funny that Chavez knows exactly how too get in touch with them too. wouldn't that make him in cahoots witth terrorism kinda like ohh lets say Saddam, or Mullah Omar |
| Posted by: sinse 2008-01-13 11:43 |
| #7 What about the other 748 hostages? They're supposed to take them off the terror list for releasing .26% of their hostages? |
| Posted by: bigjim-ky 2008-01-13 11:21 |
| #6 Hey, that is the coolest set of conspiracies and wheels-within-wheels we've had here in a long time. There's enough material there for...its own blog. Set up a blog tracing all those trails, you'll have a huge readership. The Paulians won't have too much to do shortly... |
| Posted by: Seafarious 2008-01-13 10:55 |
| #5 Rosa - I'm a Catholic. You're a nut. BZZZZZT!Thanks for playing |
| Posted by: Frank G 2008-01-13 09:45 |
| #4 holding 750 hostages wouldn't be considered terrorism? |
| Posted by: sinse 2008-01-13 09:44 |
| #3 the Sin (Betrayal) of Communicatio in Sacris with non-Catholics (like Muslims) There are a great many non-Catholics at this site, Miss Rosa. Also atheists, Jews and Muslims. A great many of whom are Zionists, too. Can you be certain you communicate here without sinning? I worry for the safety of your soul -- it would be terrible if you ended up in Hell instead of only Purgatory, just because of a single post. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2008-01-13 08:57 |
| #2 Is you know my fren Joe!? |
| Posted by: Thomas Woof 2008-01-13 06:11 |
| #1 Hello, could anyone answer this scholarly question? Does (Catholic or non-Catholic) anyone know the FARC-EP's Stance (or Political Policy) toward the Latin Tridentine Mass...or Old Roman Rite Latin Mass? I know that some Colombian Rebel Movements (FARC, ELN, etc) in the 60s were found, funded, and organized by so-called Catholic priests who some were generals (jefes), is that really the truth? Yes you know, in the 1960s, there was only the good Old Latin Mass before those Conciliar Changes of the Vatican II Council circa 1969 took place. I read that in Communist China, the government of Communists allow a special Church called the Chinese Communist Patriotic Catholic Church to exist (in fact they use it for their political purposes), this sect rebelled from Rome, still they celebrate the Old Latin Mass Liturgy (pre-Vatican II style) with their valid succession of bishops, anyone know about this (anyone from China)? Yet, I admit that, I am not sure does Pro-Chavez Communist Army called the FARC-EP have chaplains (deacons, priests, bishops) like a regular governmental military? Do they have a Seminary? And how about the ELN too, (Padre Torres?), and the various other rebel groups- there are many of them in the montanas? Do these various schismatic groups communicate together for special feasts like Christmas(~Communcatio in Sacris)? I was wondering if they tolerate Traditionalist Latin Mass Catholic Priests (SSPX, SSPV, CMRI, FSSP)? Also what is their official policy toward the Greek and Russian Orthodox Priests? Do they like Putin's Patriarch Alexis? Someone said they kill priests a lot (and a bishop in Cali), is that really true or a lie? Frankly, I am a little worried to hear Chavez mentioned in Peace Talks, I read he is involved in the Sin (Betrayal) of Communicatio in Sacris with non-Catholics (like Muslims). Where is Tony Blair in this mess (I hear he likes the Old Latin Mass as he left the Anglican Communion)? I have to tell you, that I am no theologian, actually, I read these matters from a new and brave scholarly book written by a Hispanic-Latino Professor, Dr. DeTucci (I think he studied at Harvard and the Javierana in Bogota, Colombia?), you can browse the book online by going to Lulu Bookstore: http://www.lulu.com/content/1753466 Dear Colombians (and Venezuelans), in my studies, I also read the Liberator Simon Bolivar forbade Non-Catholic Churches in Gran Colombia (and any "Communicatio in Sacris"), is that true? I read this Time Article that confirmed these Bolivarian Laws: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,937395,00.html?promoid=googlep I guess Bolivar was very Anti-Masonic, right? Does Harvard-educated President Alvaro Uribe take a stance on this or is he Indifferent? Or is Uribe under the control of the AUC, or not? I read online that Scholar-Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos of Medellin, Colombia (Bishop Prelate and Vatican Official of the Latin Tridentine Mass Indult Commission Ecclesia Dei--which ironically is trying to heal the Latin Schismatic Rebel Groups formed by the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre of France which extend globally including in Europe and the Americas, now headed by Monsignor Fellay) is actually a secret-Jefe Lord of the Right-Wing AUC, is this true? Further I read he also has helped the M-19 Blocks officially pontificating as their Bishop during the Solemn High Pontifical Old Latin Masses that were held for Medellin and Cali Cartel Families, and of course he must of collected their rich donations or la comienza they call it. Does anyone reading this, or perhaps sharing this, have revealing intelligence on this grave scandal (tell me)? Honestly, I suppose and I guess that this big rumor may be leaking around also (esp. in Caracas) that Hoyos also helps certain Israel/Zionist Programs with financial laundering (washing the dinero) of funds under the guise of Vatican-Church Hierarchy (e.g., the Most Holy Family Monastery's Michael Dimond has been cited by some Bp. Michael Carter as being the Zionist Superior Jefe of this Programe). Further, I saw on television recently (Univision) that Director Oliver Stone (a Socialist) is investigating this whole Latin-Colombian Schism and claims to have the scoop of inside information on Uribe, Hoyos, and Friends to definitely expose them in a High-Budget Documentary that will be released to movie theaters around the world (in Spanish and English). May I guess there is a certain Liberal-Socialist Bishop Jason Spadafore (from Palma de Troya, Spain) involved in the fiasco? I guess so! Please share this reading and write me if you have something to share. Thanks, Rosa P.S. Frankly...I also read about Vlad Tepes, a Catholic Prince who resisted the Turkish Muslim Invasion in Romania, he is a national hero to Romania, and he actually died a Roman Catholic! Vlad certainly put fear into his enemies by his strict justice, and his enemies lied that he was a vampire to demonize him. So people can make up stories about people, and call them terrible things, like a terrorist. You can read more here: http://www.vladcatholic.com |
| Posted by: Rosa 2008-01-13 02:36 |