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| Clinton backer stirs the pot by referring to Obama's 'Muslim' roots |
| 2007-12-19 |
| Posted by:Fred |
| #15 I do long for the days of the smoke filled rooms when they hashed and bashed and vetted in private. Then each party presented a candidate that in theory had no baggage, or baggage that could be hidden in Kennedy's case. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2007-12-19 22:51 |
| #14 It is the primary season where Darwin politics seem to be the order of the day. I'd rather candidates stick to the issues and talk about what they are going to do during his/her administration rather than bash candidates of their party and then candidates of the other party. |
| Posted by: JohnQC 2007-12-19 22:07 |
| #13 I don't disagree with your clarification of my statements. I did say "didn't offend Democrat Primary voters the same way..." |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2007-12-19 18:39 |
| #12 RJS: Al Gore brought up Willie Horton long before Bush Sr did. It just didn't offend Democrat Primary voters the same way it offended the country at large. It offended different people different ways. Democratic primary voters were offended that Gore brought it up, since black criminals are clearly - in the Democratic mind - much more the victims (of an uncaring society - insert the liberal piety of your choice) than the actual victims themselves. General election voters were offended that Dukakis pardoned Willie Horton so he could go out and rape again. |
| Posted by: Zhang Fei 2007-12-19 14:58 |
| #11 Fact is every four years the parties thrash themselves in the primaries and then they thrash the other party in the general election. only a relative few really pay attention to the primaries so this is forgotten. Al Gore brought up Willie Horton long before Bush Sr did. It just didn't offend Democrat Primary voters the same way it offended the country at large. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2007-12-19 14:26 |
| #10 "American" "Muslim" "leaders" should all be asked on the record if B. Hussein Obama is a muslim or whether it is ok for children of muslim fathers to be Christian. |
| Posted by: Excalibur 2007-12-19 11:39 |
| #9 Steve, if that's the issue, I suspect it's because CAIR tries to project itself as the very soul of patriotic, soft, warm, fuzzy, wouldn't-hurt-a-fly-ness, and screaming "Death to the Apostate Barak Obama!!!!" like a manic Wahabbist on uppers would be a little off-message, to put it mildly. |
| Posted by: Mike 2007-12-19 11:07 |
| #8 Mike, I think (not sure) Woozle's point is different. Yes, you and I (and I hope Woozle) rightly believe Gov. Chamberlain's statement: in America we judge you by who you are. But in Islam, if your father was a Muslim, you're a Muslim. And Islam doesn't allow people to renounce their faith willingly. Now you could reply, 'who gives a rats ass?' Well not me. But there are a few crazy people out there, people you and I both detest, who might make an issue of this. So I suspect CAIR is keeping their mouths shut for a reason. I think that's Woozle's point. Would be fun to ask CAIR. |
| Posted by: Steve White 2007-12-19 10:50 |
| #7 Woozle, I'm sorry to have to put it this way, but that is one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen. This is America. "Here we judge you by what you do, not by who your father was."* I do not plan to vote for Barack Obama. He seems like a nice enough guy--I'd probably get along with him if I knew him personally--but he's too far Left for my tastes, and dead wrong on most of the issues. However, he didn't pick his parents or grandparents--neither did you!--or his name. All you're doing by repeating this "Obama's a secret Moslem!" crap is validating the Clintons' gutter tactics--which, if they are successful, will be used against your guy in this or some later election. *Col. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, 20th Maine Volunteer Infantry, as rendered by Michael Sharra in The Killer Angels. |
| Posted by: Mike 2007-12-19 10:02 |
| #6 Hussein readily admitted in Iowa a couple of days ago, in response to a direct question, that both his father and grandfather were Muslims. Yet he denies he is. Why is he not dead ? Muzzie scum really wouldn't tolerate his bolting from the cult would they ? Yet we hear no shrieking from the Muzz brotherhood or CAIR or any other scum affiliation. Why ? |
| Posted by: Woozle Elmeter 2907 2007-12-19 09:11 |
| #5 Psssst...I hear he's a drug addict too. |
| Posted by: Hillary! 2008 2007-12-19 09:04 |
| #4 "Her thighness" will just distance herself from this claiming that it was a rovian plot. |
| Posted by: Broadhead6 2007-12-19 09:02 |
| #3 If anyone thinks this is not an orchestrated campaign of cheap shots approved by Hillary! herself, I have some federally-protected wetlands in Nevada I'd like to sell you. |
| Posted by: Mike 2007-12-19 06:33 |
| #2 As long as Quincy McQueery doesn't run. |
| Posted by: Helmuth, Speaking for Cromong3228 2007-12-19 04:03 |
| #1 I've met a fair number of Americans over the years. None have had names like Barak or Obama, or even Hussein. Not even one. The name just doesn't jump out at you as being very American. I suspect people outside the inner-cities like to think of their President in terms of being American, and having an American identity, ideology, religion, looks, name, etc. I guess one is stuck with the name you are given, unless you decide to take on an American or western name, like John Williams, or William Jones, or Peter Smith....something along those lines. But taking American names probably isn't "in" today I suppose, at least with the inner-city constituencies. Just my thoughts on it. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2007-12-19 01:16 |