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Archdruid of Canterbury sez in Muslim mag: US is ‘worst imperialist'
2007-11-25
THE Archbishop of Canterbury has said that the United States wields its power in a way that is worse than Britain during its imperial heyday. Rowan Williams claimed that America’s attempt to intervene overseas by “clearing the decks” with a “quick burst of violent action” had led to “the worst of all worlds”.
Interesting. I'd have said that al Qaeda's "quick burst of violent action" has led to the "worst of all worlds", but then, Rowan Williams has proven himself to be a hater of Western civilization, a self-loather embracing cultural, perhaps physical, suicide.
In a wide-ranging interview with a British Muslim magazine, the Anglican leader linked criticism of the United States to one of his most pessimistic declarations about the state of western civilisation.

He said the crisis was caused not just by America’s actions but also by its misguided sense of its own mission. He poured scorn on the “chosen nation myth of America, meaning that what happens in America is very much at the heart of God’s purpose for humanity”.
Without the United States of America, there would be NO Church of England today.
Sure there would, but high Mass would be in German.
Williams went beyond his previous critique of the conduct of the war on terror, saying the United States had lost the moral high ground since September 11. He urged it to launch a “generous and intelligent programme of aid directed to the societies that have been ravaged; a check on the economic exploitation of defeated territories; a demilitarisation of their presence”.
The United States of America, for better or for ill, has saved the lives of more Muslims than any other country on Earth.
He went on to suggest that the West was fundamentally adrift: “Our modern western definition of humanity is clearly not working very well. There is something about western modernity which really does eat away at the soul.”
"Mirror, Mirror on the wall ..."
Williams suggested American leadership had broken down: “We have only one global hegemonic power. It is not accumulating territory: it is trying to accumulate influence and control. That’s not working.”

He contrasted it unfavourably with how the British Empire governed India. “It is one thing to take over a territory and then pour energy and resources into administering it and normalising it. Rightly or wrongly, that’s what the British Empire did — in India, for example.
Oh, my, God. And when the British ceased their "administering" and left the subcontinent, one of the greatest bloodbaths in history took place. The British Jimmy Carter
“It is another thing to go in on the assumption that a quick burst of violent action will somehow clear the decks and that you can move on and other people will put it back together — Iraq, for example.”

In the interview in Emel , a Muslim lifestyle magazine, Williams makes only mild criticisms of the Islamic world. He said the Muslim world must acknowledge that its “political solutions were not the most impressive”. He commends the Muslim practice of praying five times a day, which he says allows the remembrance of God to be “built in deeply in their daily rhythm”.
This is leadership?
The complete interview can be found HERE (PDF)
Posted by:mrp

#25  He is destroying the Anglican Communion. Its dying, the churches are shrinking, with gay bishops, etc in the US. The AFRICAN Church is very conservative - and is the one that is growing, and gaining many AMERICAN congregations who are abandoning the Archdruid.
Posted by: OldSpook   2007-11-25 22:39  

#24  which explains why the Hindi word "loot" entered the English language...
Posted by: john frum   2007-11-25 17:24  

#23  The New Nationalist Movement in India by Jabez T. Sunderland
Atlantic Monthly; October, 1908

The people of India are taxed more than twice as heavily as the people of England and three times as heavily as those of Scotland. According to the latest statistics at hand, those of 1905, the annual average income per person in India is about $6.00, and the annual tax per person about $2.00.

Great Britain wanted India's markets. She could not find entrance for British manufactures so long as India was supplied with manufactures of her own. So those of India must be sacrificed. England had all power in her hands, and so she proceeded to pass tariff and excise laws that ruined the manufactures of India and secured the market for her own goods. India would have protected herself if she had been able, by enacting tariff laws favorable to Indian interests, but she had no power, she was at the mercy of her conqueror.

A third cause of India's impoverishment is the enormous and wholly unnecessary cost of her government. The amount of money which the Indian people are required to pay as salaries to this great army of foreign civil servants and appointed higher officials, and then, later, as pensions for the same, after they have served a given number of years in India, is very large.

For such foreign wars and campaigns -- campaigns and wars in which the Indian pcople had no concern, and for which they received no benefit, the aim of which was solely conquest and the extension of British power -- India was required to pay during the last century the enormous total of more than $460,000,000.

In the form of salaries spent in England, pensions sent to England, interest drawn in England on investments made in India, business profits made in India and sent to England, and various kinds of exploitation carried on in India for England's benefit, a vast stream of wealth ("tribute" in effect) is constantly pouring into England from India.
Posted by: john frum   2007-11-25 17:22  

#22  I'll freely acknowledge all sorts of American policy failures, and downright evil idiotic actions, at various levels of government, but it apparently takes a special level of "churchly" experience and head-banging ignorance to uncork a quote about the islamic world such as this, "“political solutions were not the most impressive”.

Aside from the subject-verb construction and passive voice, its semantically risible to speak of "politics" in the muslim world. The compulsion, coercion and force encompassed in "sharia" scarcely begins to explain the mob-rule, irrationality and literally masochistic behavior of great swaths of the uncivilized remnants of the cradle of mankind's original home.

Oh well - bless his heart.
Posted by: Haliburton - Border Control Divison   2007-11-25 16:58  

#21  

Starving Irish family during the potato famine

The Great Irish Famine or The Great Hunger reduced the population of Ireland by 20 to 25 percent between 1845 and 1852

no issue has provoked so much anger or so embittered relations between the two countries (England and Ireland) as the indisputable fact that huge quantities of food were exported from Ireland to England throughout the period when the people of Ireland were dying of starvation.
Posted by: john frum   2007-11-25 16:21  

#20  

Famine victims, India, late nineteenth century.
Death toll from famine in Victorian India – about 7 million in the 1876-78 famine alone

The Bengal famine of 1943 is one amongst the several famines that occurred in British administered Bengal. It is estimated that 1.5-3 million people died from starvation and malnutrition during the period.

During the British rule in India there were approximately 25 major famines spread through states such as Tamil Nadu in South India, Bihar in the north, and Bengal in the east; altogether, between 30 and 40 million Indians were the victims of famines in the latter half of the 19th century

Though malnutrition and hunger remain widespread in India, there have been no famines since the end of the British rule in 1947 and the establishment of a democratic government.
Posted by: john frum   2007-11-25 16:17  

#19  Al, I think Dr. Williams wants to retire, and by stepping all over the Government's feet., this event might do it. The CoE is the established religion of England; the Queen is the Supreme Governor and twenty-six bishops sit in the House of Lords.

Destruction of the CoE would have far-reaching consequences not limited to England.
Posted by: mrp   2007-11-25 16:16  

#18  What a waste of 400,000 American lives and trillions of dollars.
Posted by: ed   2007-11-25 16:09  

#17  Inspiring lines. Well said by Secretary Powell.

Thank you Eric
Posted by: Sid 6.7   2007-11-25 16:09  

#16  "Rowan Williams has proven himself to be a hater of Western civilization, a self-loather embracing cultural, perhaps physical, suicide."

Actually, he'll settle for the destruction of the Anglican Church.

Al
Posted by: Frozen Al   2007-11-25 15:06  

#15  The Church of England is dead. Will someone please bury the corpse?
Posted by: Old Patriot   2007-11-25 13:57  

#14  Being "Miss Congeniality" of the exploiting eeevilll imperialists sucks.

Heavy on the irony sauce there, Blondie.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-11-25 12:51  

#13  2x4, Correct. Thanks.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2007-11-25 11:33  

#12  Aw, crap! We're number 10.

Hopefully next year we can be "Most Improved". Being "Miss Congeniality" of the exploiting eeevilll imperialists sucks.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie   2007-11-25 11:00  

#11  Would anyone be surprised if he converted to Islam?

I am reminded of an episode of the British comedy, "Yes, Prime Minister", entitled 'The Bishop's Gambit', in which the PM needs to fill a Bishopric.

Sir Humphrey Appleby explains that the Church is always seeking to maintain the balance of bishops between those who believe in God and those who don't.

"We cannot leave the appointment of Bishops to the Holy Ghost, because no one is confident that the Holy Ghost would understand what makes a good Church of England bishop."

"An atheist clergyman could not continue to draw his stipend, so when they stop believing in God they call themselves 'modernists'."

"The Church of England is primarily a social organization not a religious one."
Posted by: Anonymoose   2007-11-25 09:51  

#10  The Anglican communion is splitting over a number of issues, precipitated by the ordination of openly gay, sexually active priests and bishops in the US and Britain. In the US, the Episcopal church is suing parishes and dioceses who seek to affiliate with doctrinally traditional provinces in the Global South. Rowan has shown less than prophetic leadership during this time.
Posted by: lotp   2007-11-25 09:22  

#9  NS, the actual quote:
"Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?"
Posted by: twobyfour   2007-11-25 09:14  

#8  Will no one rid me of this meddlesome man?
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2007-11-25 08:33  

#7  Perhaps the Archdroid would like to anonymously move to SA and continue his religious practice there?

Is this guy already afraid of something?
Posted by: gorb   2007-11-25 05:21  

#6  "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,"

Very first words of the Bill of Rights. The Founding Fathers knew what they were about.

The CoE is a decaying relic from the Middle Ages, serving only as a refuge for goebbelist lefty vultures like this lying buffoon. The UK should abolish the established church and let these shamans fend completely for themselves.
Posted by: Bugs Cruque4347   2007-11-25 04:05  

#5  WTF??? Is this guy mad? Is he and Jimmah sharing the same crack pipe? And you wonder why people are not going to church there any more like they used to? Well, the spirochetes of Radical Islam have burrowed deep into his melon, for sure. Un-believable......
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2007-11-25 03:17  

#4  Better the "worst imperialist" than an utterly craven self-loathing coward.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-11-25 01:15  

#3  There's something about that Archbishophric that drives men mad. George Carey, who used to hold that post, once asked Colin Powell at a World Economic Forum meeting,

And would you not agree, as a very significant political figure in the United States, Colin, that America, at the present time, is in danger of relying too much upon the hard power and not enough upon building the trust from which the soft values, which of course all of our family life that actually at the bottom, when the bottom line is reached, is what makes human life valuable?


Secretary Powell replied,


The United States believes strongly in what you call soft power, the value of democracy, the value of the free economic system, the value of making sure that each citizen is free and free to pursue their own God-given ambitions and to use the talents that they were given by God. And that is what we say to the rest of the world. That is why we participated in establishing a community of democracy within the Western Hemisphere. It's why we participate in all of these great international organizations.

There is nothing in American experience or in American political life or in our culture that suggests we want to use hard power. But what we have found over the decades is that unless you do have hard power — and here I think you're referring to military power — then sometimes you are faced with situations that you can't deal with.

I mean, it was not soft power that freed Europe. It was hard power. And what followed immediately after hard power? Did the United States ask for dominion over a single nation in Europe? No. Soft power came in the Marshall Plan. Soft power came with American GIs who put their weapons down once the war was over and helped all those nations rebuild. We did the same thing in Japan.

So our record of living our values and letting our values be an inspiration to others I think is clear. And I don't think I have anything to be ashamed of or apologize for with respect to what America has done for the world.

We have gone forth from our shores repeatedly over the last hundred years and weÂ’ve done this as recently as the last year in Afghanistan and put wonderful young men and women at risk, many of whom have lost their lives, and we have asked for nothing except enough ground to bury them in, and otherwise we have returned home to seek our own, you know, to seek our own lives in peace, to live our own lives in peace. But there comes a time when soft power or talking with evil will not work where, unfortunately, hard power is the only thing that works.


Quotes taken from the Snopes.com page.
Posted by: Eric Jablow   2007-11-25 00:37  

#2  Rowan is a tree used in pagan rites.
Posted by: 3dc   2007-11-25 00:14  

#1  He commends the Muslim practice of praying five times a day, which he says allows the remembrance of God to be “built in deeply in their daily rhythm”.

John 14:6 "No one comes to the Father except through me..."

This Archbishop is either a Muslim or Athiest. These "Bishops" are vultures feasting on what dead remains of what was once a living, Christian church.
Posted by: wh   2007-11-25 00:12  

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