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France Loses Out as Saudis Sign $2.2 Billion Deal for Russian Helos
2007-10-31
In an abrupt policy shift, Saudi Arabia has signed an agreement to buy over 150 Russian-made Mi-35 Hind and Mi-17 Hip helicopters worth over $2.2 billion, ending French hopes of sealing a long-delayed sale of 148 helicopters and raising doubts about future French arms sales to the Saudi kingdom.

Sources say the Memorandum of Understanding with Russia was signed in Ryad in mid-September by members of the private cabinet of Saudi King Abdallah bin Abd al-Aziz Al Saud, and follows extended visits to Russia by Saudi military delegations in February and March 2007 to appraise the capabilities of Russian helicopters and other weapons.

Sources also said that Saudi Arabia appears to have decided to buy T-90 main battle tanks and medium-range air-defense systems from Russia
The sources also said that Saudi Arabia appears to have decided to buy T-90 main battle tanks and medium-range air-defense systems from Russia, replacing previous plans to buy French-made Leclerc tanks and Aster 30 SAMP/T air-defense systems. No agreement has yet been signed for these systems, however,

Eurocopter confirmed that Saudi Arabia has opted for Russian helicopters, but said the companyÂ’s future prospects in the country remained unclear. Nexter, manufacturer of the Leclerc tank, and missile maker MBDA had no comment on the status of their dealings with Saudi Arabia.

While conceding that the Saudis had signed an agreement to buy Russian utility helicopters, a senior French official told defense-aerospace.com that the Mi-17 and Mi-35 met only part of the Saudi requirement. Noting that the two Saudi customers – the Armed Forces and the National Guard - would not necessarily buy the same equipment, he said that France was still in the running to sell several other helicopter types. These include naval, Combat Search And Rescue and training helicopters, he implied, for which Russian helicopters are unsuited.

Saudi ArabiaÂ’s decision to retain Russia as a major arms supplier is the result of two recent policy decisions made by King Abdallah bin Abd al-Aziz Al Saud. One was AbdallahÂ’s decision to take direct control of major arms purchases, which were previously largely the domain of the defense and aviation ministry headed by Prince Sultan Bin Abdulaziz, the Saudi Crown Prince and deputy prime minister who is also AbdallahÂ’s half-brother. Sultan is said to be out of favor.

Abdallah also is loosening arms ties with France because of its insistence on large, multiple-system packages, and its stubborn arm-twisting to include weapons that the Saudis do not want
Abdallah also is loosening arms ties with France because of its insistence on large, multiple-system packages, and its stubborn arm-twisting to include weapons that the Saudis do not want, like the Rafale combat aircraft, in these packages.

While the Saudis were willing as late as the fall of 2006 to sign two or three medium-sized helicopters deals, covering 42 Fennec light helicopters, 20 Cougar Combat Search and Rescue helicopters and 10 NFH-90 naval helicopters, sources say they indefinitely postponed these plans after French officials continued to insist that the package also include Rafales, several FREMM frigates and Gowind corvettes, and Leclerc tanks.

“The idea of selling comprehensive packages was pushed by the Elysée [the French President’s office-Ed.] as a final coup for [former President Jacques] Chirac,” one industry official told defense-aerospace.com. “Now, Chirac’s gone, we’ve signed nothing, and we’re shut out of the Saudi market for the foreseeable future. A real success for France,” the official said.

France has now conceded it will not sell Rafale to Saudi Arabia. “We haven’t discussed Rafale in Saudi Arabia. It’s not a current issue,” French Defense Minister Hervé Morin said Oct. 28 in Jeddah, after talks with Saudi leaders.

[France is hoping that Libya, which has contracted to upgrade its obsolete Dassault Mirage F-1 fighters, may also agree to buy the Rafale, and an agreement could be announced during Libyan leader Moammar GadhafiÂ’s forthcoming visit to Paris, possibly in December.]

The Saudis are also said to be unhappy with what they perceive as French snubs. These include the French government’s failure to appoint an official of sufficiently high rank to head Sofresa, the arms export agency especially set up to handle contracts with Saudi Arabia. France’s use of local marketing networks that include individuals that are “persona non grata” at King Abdallah’s court is seen as another snub.

FranceÂ’s insistence on stuffing as many weapons as possible into arms deals has also been cited as one of the reasons why Morocco finally opted to buy the U.S.-made F-16 fighter instead of the Rafale, which Paris wanted to supply in a single package together with helicopters and corvettes.

Another factor is that the election in May of Nicolas Sarkozy to succeed Chirac as French president has not gone down well with the Saudis, who take exception at his declarations that French diplomacy would in future distance itself from its traditional pro-Arab stance.

The loss of the Saudi contracts, whose total value was estimated at well over 7 billion euros, is a severe loss for French industry, which is encountering growing difficulties in exporting its weapons in the face of cut-throat competition from the United States and Russia.

Paris is now making a last-ditch attempt to salvage at least some Saudi deals, and President SarkozyÂ’s planned visit to Saudi Arabia, in January, might constitute such an opportunity. The sale of several Airbus tanker aircraft, and possibly of a reconnaissance satellite which Saudi Arabia would share with Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, are two possibilities.

The sale of Fennec light helicopters, which the Saudis need for pilot training, may finally go through simply because there is no direct Russian competitor, sources say, noting however that this sale is only worth about 300 million euros.
Posted by:lotp

#8  Hmmm, AP, I have nice bridge in my neighbor's backyard, you think there's a chance...?
Posted by: twobyfour   2007-10-31 22:32  

#7  The Saudis have more dollars than sense. Sell em almost anything you have that does not compromise your security and fleece 'em.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2007-10-31 17:58  

#6  If I had a military like Saudi, I would buy Russian crap too. Easy to maintain, needs little training and you can get a buttload for the cash.
Against any trained western nation, it is crap and will not work well against the advanced arms the west has. However, the chances of the house of Saud fighting western style armies is very slim and they are more likely to face other arabs. So, go for the cheap ground shit, have a good air force to protect said cheap ground shit and you should do alright in a fight.
Posted by: DarthVader   2007-10-31 16:44  

#5  I wish the Saudis would buy more Russian stuff so we can get a good look and their "goods".
Posted by: Mike N.   2007-10-31 16:19  

#4  The big question is whether Russian, French, British or US weapons will make any difference in the Soddies ability to fight their way out of a wet toilet tissue. I suspect they could buy all the weapons they want and it wouldn't make a dime's worth of difference. It's all money down the drain just like that so-called air defense system the Syrians bought. It's like that old saying about a fool and his money. Not that I'd tell them that if I was an arms merchant.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2007-10-31 15:36  

#3  The loss of the Saudi contracts, whose total value was estimated at well over 7 billion euros, is a severe loss for French industry, which is encountering growing difficulties in exporting its weapons in the face of cut-throat competition from the United States and Russia.

That incredible shrinking dollar (vs the euro, anyway) might be horrible for liberals who like to vacation in Europe, but it's sure not doing much for European export competitiveness.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2007-10-31 13:59  

#2  If you want premium oats, you'll pay a premium price. If you want oats that have already been proeessed through the horse, those are available for a bit less.
Posted by: Besoeker   2007-10-31 13:42  

#1  On a more serious note, the French will be selling advanced submarine technology to the Russians. That would mean air independent propulsion so subs can operate underwater for weeks. Sensors and acoustic management so they are harder to find, the real advantage US subs had over Soviet subs.

It's French war by other means against the Anglo-Saxons, where America replaces the self-neutering English. It addition, the French have found a way around the EU arms embargo against China, Iran and other most despicable regimes.
France Helps Russia Design Better Boats
Posted by: ed   2007-10-31 13:22  

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