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| Antiwar Dems turn on one of their own |
| 2007-08-28 |
| Congressman Brian Baird (D-3 Vancouver, Washington) hosted a town hall tonight at Fort Vancouver High School. It was Baird’s first appearance in front of his constituents since reversing his position on the war. ALTHOUGH he’s been an adamant critic of the war—he voted against the war and the surge—he announced last week that he thinks the surge is working and he wants to give it time. . . . He was hammered by Jon Soltz,[note 1] the young, good looking, charismatic chairman and co-founder of political action committee VoteVets.org. Soltz is also an Iraq war veteran, having served in 2003. "A former Miss America, Soltz enjoys writing poetry, caring for animals, and long walks on the--HEY! Who said that? Whaddaya mean, I'm not objective?" Speaking calmly and to raucous applause, he said Baird (who recently returned from a visit to Iraq) was fooled “by a dog and pony show” and is unfortunately “providing cover for President Bush.” "Deviation from acceptable Party discourse will be punished by reeducation!" "Hey, waitaminute, I thought dissent was the highest form of patriotism." "Yes, we in the antiwar movement are dissenters, and that makes us patriotic. If you oppose us, that makes you the opposite of patriotic, which is unpatriotic. So, you unpatriotic filth, do you want to be shot for treason? No? Then shut up!" Another speaker who brought down the house was Zanne Joi, a Vancouver activist with Code Pink Women for Peace. Joi called Baird “arrogant” for trying to dictate how Iraqis should govern themselves and said the war was only about “American oil profit.” A third speaker, who also spoke to tremendous applause, was Jane Lustig from Vancouver, whose main complain was that Baird was not representing his constituents’ point of view. I also talked to several people as they left the auditorium and asked them if they found Baird—who was there to explain his new position—to be persuasive. To a person, everyone shook their head “no way,” including Doris Holmes, active member of the 18th district Democrats, who said, “He lied. He’s toeing the Bush party line. I can’t believe he’s a Democrat.” Note 1: This is the same clown who shouted down a soldier at the Yearly KKKos KKKonvention a while back. Some interesting responses in the combox: The facts on the ground don't seem to matter to Baird's critics. Many observers are saying, not just Baird, that the military/security situation in Iraq has improved due to the surge and they have statistics to back this up. The possibility that Baird's new position could be sincere, perhaps even more correct than the anti-war Democrats' insistence that the war is lost, cannot be admitted by his critics.(Not sure if that last one was being ironic or not.) |
| Posted by:Mike |
| #11 That's my fear to, Joe. |
| Posted by: lotp 2007-08-28 21:29 |
| #10 Lessiirree, DUBYA > WARNS ABOUT [consequences of]US RETREAT FROM MIDDLE EAST + WARNS IRAN ABOUT INTERFERENCE IN IRAQ; versus MOUD > NUCLEAR ACTVITIES HAVE NOT STOPPED. * ISN SECURITY WATCH > GLOBAL NON-US/USN CARRIER CONSTRUX > means US NAVAL POWER IS DECLINING/WEAKENING; + YOUTUBE > US CONTROLLER SAYS USA FACES IMMINENT COLLAPSE DUE TO EXCESSIVE DEBTS. US debts will weaken AMer + induce "young turk" powers to become milpol stronger and aggressive agz America. WORLD NEWS > ITS TOO LATE TO STOP NUCLEAR IRAN. Sooooooo, Dubya = USA must now PUBLICLY decide to PC accept a Nuclearized Iran, and by extens Nuclearized Radical Islamism-Terror, or STOP IRAN VV MILITARY FORCE, AND LIKELY BEFORE 2008. With or without any anti-US OWG-SWO, IMO I don't think Moud is gonna stop nuclearizing nor stop its Regional-Global agendas. IFF ITS NOT CLEAR BY NOW, IT SHOULD BE TODAY THAT ONLY WAR = ARMED FORCE WILL STOP RADICAL IRAN = NUCLEAR ISLAMISM-TERRORISM. |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2007-08-28 21:03 |
| #9 I worked in Beaverton, Oregon back in 1990. The people there were very friendly and always asked if I wanted to stay in Oregon. When I said I'd like to they welcomed me. They did not like Californians moving in. They raised housing prices and brought their Liberal political views. At least that's what I was told. Back in 1990 I found Oregon, except for the property taxes, to be a lot like Alabama in how the people viewed the role of the Government. I guess the Californians took over. |
| Posted by: Deacon Blues 2007-08-28 19:51 |
| #8 Seafarious - there is a Vancouver, Washington as well as the one in British Columbia. Vancouver, WA is just across the Columbia River from Portland, Oregon; both cities are Politically Correct sewers, by the way. |
| Posted by: Shieldwolf 2007-08-28 19:05 |
| #7 From Wikipedia's entry on Jon Soltz: "served in the Kosovo Campaign as a Tank Platoon Leader between June and December 2000. From May to September 2003, Soltz served as a Captain during Operation Iraqi Freedom, deploying logistics convoys with the 1st Armored Division in Iraq." But did he spend a memorable Christmas in Cambodia? |
| Posted by: doc 2007-08-28 18:50 |
| #6 When did Washington state annex Vancouver? Did we cover it here at Rantburg? |
| Posted by: Seafarious 2007-08-28 17:33 |
| #5 He was hammered by Jon Soltz, the young, good looking, charismatic chairman and co-founder of political action committee VoteVets.org. Soltz is also an Iraq war veteran, having served in 2003. Speaking calmly and to raucous applause, he said Baird (who recently returned from a visit to Iraq) was fooled “by a dog and pony show” and is unfortunately “providing cover for President Bush.” If you do anything today, you should go see John Stolz. John Stolz is the young, good looking, charismatic chairman and co-founder of political action committee VoteVets.org. John Stolz has things to say. John Stolz says things you should hear. Hey, who was that guy? John Stolz. |
| Posted by: tu3031 2007-08-28 17:10 |
| #4 In any other nation, actively working for your nation's defeat in a war would be considered treason. Of course, the dummycritters refuse to believe we're in a war, and that Iraq is a central part of that war. These people need to hang by the neck from the Golden Gate Bridge. |
| Posted by: Old Patriot 2007-08-28 16:50 |
| #3 Baird, however holds great sway. Whenever a person changes his stance, his reasons are considered relavent. And, that last comment had to be dripping with snark. No doubt a feeble attempt to show the anti-war donkeys how idiotic they look. I suppose some get it some of the time. |
| Posted by: wxjames 2007-08-28 14:00 |
| #2 From Wikipedia's entry on Jon Soltz: "served in the Kosovo Campaign as a Tank Platoon Leader between June and December 2000. From May to September 2003, Soltz served as a Captain during Operation Iraqi Freedom, deploying logistics convoys with the 1st Armored Division in Iraq." I think it is safe to say he was LLL before he joined the Army, and joined only to advance his political career. It is also safe to say he has never been in combat, and his knowledge of Iraq today is minimal. Al |
| Posted by: Frozen Al 2007-08-28 13:53 |
| #1 In ain't called the Left Coast for no reason. I wonder how Soltz, who did serve in Iraq, can sleep at night. I guess he's like Kerry, he knows he's better than all of us and that makes it easy on his conscience. All I know is that he is wrong. |
| Posted by: Jack is Back! 2007-08-28 12:49 |