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Britain
Calls for referendum on EU treaty 'absurd' says UK minister
2007-07-24
Gordon Brown was shaping up for a bitter and prolonged battle over Europe with the Conservatives last night after his Europe minister described calls for a referendum on the new European Union treaty as "frankly absurd".

The comments by Jim Murphy, during a debate in the House of Commons, came ahead of a speech today by William Hague, the shadow foreign secretary, in which he will say a national vote is essential because the treaty would transfer powers from Westminster to Brussels "in spades".

Murphy also appeared to rule out any attempt to renegotiate the wording of the draft EU Treaty.
Mr. Murphy also appeared to rule out any attempt to renegotiate the wording of the draft EU Treaty.

The Tories and some Labour MPs want ministers to change aspects of the draft treaty, including a section which they say would make national parliaments subservient to Brussels.

Mr Murphy quoted former Tory Chancellor, Kenneth Clarke as saying to ask the people to vote on such a document would be "frankly absurd".
But Mr Murphy told MPs he had no intention of seeking any amendments. Responding to the eurosceptic Tory MP Bill Cash, who said there must be a referendum on a document that would create an EU president and foreign minister, Mr Murphy quoted the Europhile former Tory Chancellor, Kenneth Clarke, as saying to ask the people to vote on such a document would be "frankly absurd".
Because they can't be expected to have a proper opinion on such matters, now can they?
Mr Murphy said he could not think of a better way to answer Mr Cash than to repeat Mr Clarke's assessment.

In a sign that the Tories - who have been reluctant to reignite arguments over the EU since David Cameron became leader - are now willing to put the issue at centre stage again, Mr Hague will tell the Policy Exchange think-tank that the treaty will "fundamentally change the European Union and Britain's place in it".

He will argue that it is the same in all but name as the Constitutional Treaty on which Labour promised a referendum in its 2005 election manifesto. That treaty was killed in referendums in France and Holland.

Mr Hague will say that politicians across Europe have confirmed that the new document is essentially the same as the old.

"With power transferred from Britain to Brussels in spades and the EU fundamentally changed, there is no question but that the constitution by another name merits a referendum," he will say. "After the constitution was rejected the first time around, the then foreign secretary Â… set out a simple test for any new treaty.

"If the new treaty had the president and the foreign minister, then, Jack Straw said, it would in essence be the constitution.

The new treaty has the president and foreign minister. It is in essence the constitution.
"The new treaty has the president and foreign minister. It is in essence the constitution. The remaining question is where the promised referendum is."

David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, last night repeated the Government's refusal to hold a referendum on the new treaty. Mr Miliband, attending his first meeting of EU foreign ministers since his appointment, said: "The concept of a constitution has been abandoned. That is made clear in the new treaty. In that context we don't think there needs to be a constitutional referendum."

He went on: "The important question is whether it is a good treaty for Europe and for Britain or not? I think it is a good treaty for Europe and for Britain because it takes forward institutional reform in a sensible way and undermines the arguments of those saying that there is a superstate around the corner.

"It is evident that that is not the case."
Posted by:lotp

#11  I think the current revision of the EU treaty has removed that preamble, JFM. But the thoughts behind it still exist.

In any case, I prefer a preamble that can be turned into a popular song.
Posted by: Eric Jablow   2007-07-24 22:45  

#10  Not a bad deal for Belgium, but for the UK?
Sounds like these guys in London who want to cede power to the EU probably have a pretty sweet place promised to them when it finally goes down.
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2007-07-24 17:12  

#9  Britain needs an equivalent to Rush Limbaugh.

I nominate Neal Boortz, or Michael Savage. But that's just me speaking as an angry WASP who lives in the States.
Posted by: BA   2007-07-24 13:37  

#8  Can the Queen still dissolve Parliament?
Posted by: mojo   2007-07-24 12:38  

#7  Bottom line is that the British government is abdicating its sovereignity and the only way to stop it is for the English people to take to the streets to force a referendum.

However, it appears that the people are rather sanguine about it.
Posted by: DoDo   2007-07-24 12:14  

#6  Britain needs an equivalent to Rush Limbaugh.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2007-07-24 10:43  

#5  The top people nowadays, JFM, are all the same type. The type may have less freedom of action in USA---as of now, but they're all the same.
Posted by: gromgoru   2007-07-24 10:34  

#4  We have amnesties to illegals and Constitutional systems who try to keep the people as far away of power as possible.

Cf EU Constitution:

"His majesty the King of Belgians, the President of France, ... the Quen of England have nominsted ... Valery Gascard d'Estaing (1)

US Constitution:

"We the people of the United States"

That is the difference.

(1) who would not be elected even as dog catcher
Posted by: JFM   2007-07-24 10:19  

#3  If you were an American JFM, you'd be too worried about amnesty to illegals, to say that.
Posted by: gromgoru   2007-07-24 07:14  

#2  If I were American this kind of things would lead me to say "God Bless George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson"
Posted by: JFM   2007-07-24 02:49  

#1  Britain needs an equivalent saying to "White Man speak with forked tongue."
Posted by: Anonymoose   2007-07-24 00:24  

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