Fatwa for you, Infidels!
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| Pakistan official: US newspapers are making us 'very angry' |
| 2007-07-24 |
| CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Sunday asked Pakistan's foreign minster, Khurshid Kassuri, "Will the Pakistani military go into that tribal area along the border with Afghanistan and crush the Taliban and al Qaeda." The minister's irate response was that the Pakistani military is already there. "Pakistan's commitment cannot be doubted by anybody," he continued, "and that is why some of our people do not like what we read in some of your newspapers ... It really makes us very angry when we are suffering so many casualties." The minister made it clear that he was particularly concerned about stories suggesting the US military might attack the tribal areas itself, since Pakistan cannot tolerate the level of civilian casualties among its own people that the US finds completely acceptable in Iraq. "We do not want something said just for the purpose of having an effect on American public opinion," he said. "The whole purpose of this exercise is to win hearts and minds of the people." "Look at the ratio of casualties between your troops and Iraqi civilians," Kassuri continued. "Do you know what our casualties have been? When five or six hundred of our soldiers have died ... we were able to get hold of about eight or nine hundred fatalities by the militants, which means the ratio is 1 to 1.2. Whereas the ratio in Iraq I do not wish to even mention. ... We cannot afford what is conveniently called collateral damage." After Kassuri indicated that he was offended by by the insulting tone of many US newspaper stories about Pakistan, Blitzer played him a clip of Homeland Security Adviser Fran Townsend saying, "The president's made perfectly clear, if we had actionable targets anywhere in the world, putting aside whether it was Pakistan or anyplace else, we would pursue those targets." "Is that acceptable to your government, Foreign Minister?" Blitzer asked. "Pakistan's army is one of the most organized armies in the world. ... What we can do, nobody can do better," the foreign minister spat out. However, he continued on a more conciliatory note, "All I would like to ask from you, Wolf, is for the American public to realize that Pakistan has been in the frontline. It has suffered major casualities. And we would like those to be acknowledged." |
| Posted by:John Frum |
| #22 Muslims seem to have a high tolerance for this. And it's long past tea for the West to begin doing something about it. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-07-24 18:48 |
| #21 Seems like most of the collateral damage in Iraq is from suicide bombers blowing themselves and innocents up in markets, police stations, outside hospitals, etc. Muslims seem to have a high tolerance for this. It's an odd way to win hearts and minds, but it seems to warm the hearts of a lot of Muslims. |
| Posted by: Hank 2007-07-24 18:25 |
| #20 Hey Pakistan, maybe if you wouldn't get your turbans in a tizzy over everything imaginable (up to and including discussions about the weather and the correct time of day), the rest of the world might actually give a crap. Until then, *yawn*. |
| Posted by: Swamp Blondie 2007-07-24 17:52 |
| #19 i agree with you zen that was great rant and i think we are already talking with the Indians about wakiland since they seem too buy alot of US and chinese military hardware.by the way the chinese was put in there since there seems too be alot of tensions between pakis and chinese here lately |
| Posted by: sinse 2007-07-24 15:42 |
| #18 The death and dismemberment of pakiwakiland is long overdue. We need to hold talks with India about ending this piece of crapulence called pakistan. |
| Posted by: Old Patriot 2007-07-24 15:31 |
| #17 PS: Super-duper rant there, Ebbang Uluque6305 ! |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-07-24 13:42 |
| #16 You threaten us; we kill you. Spot on, Excal! We need to make Islam's penchant for seething a very painful and lethal proposition. This "Death to America" taurine fecal matter should be rewarded with a promptly delivered sniper round wherever it gets spewed. Illiterate Muslims rely quite heavily upon word-of-mouth communication. High context cultures' value of oratorial skills makes it crucial that we dispense with those who are disposed to fomenting terrorism and violence in general. The West must abandon its egocentric relativism and finally understand that Muslims DO NOT think like we do, if they even do at all. It's long past tea to give up all hope that Islam will ever act rationally. NOWHERE in history have they given any indication of it and to think so makes us nearly as stupid as them. Some extremely harsh behavioral modification is in order lest it become necessary to simply eliminate the problem altogether. Those Muslims who manage to survive the process will thank us for it later. Those who do not, will not, cannot or refuse to are the ones we want dead anyway. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-07-24 13:37 |
| #15 What bothers me is guys like this don't seem to understand the concept of a free press. It's just like the ayatollahs who get their panties in a bunch about Salman Rushdie. It's just like the Chinese who "warn" us about US media reports that attack the crap they export to us. Get over it you morons. If you don't like what somebody says then present us with a logical counter argument. Otherwise, if you are unable to compete in a free market place of ideas, go back to your $h!t holes because we are sick of your whining and your threats. The US media, as irresponsible as they may be, are not subject to your totalitarian dictatorships and they are free say whatever they want. In case you didn't know, that's what we're fighting for. |
| Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-07-24 12:01 |
| #14 Not to mention strong opinions on the topic of Islamicism in Pakistan .... |
| Posted by: lotp 2007-07-24 11:53 |
| #13 There are many, especially in the Gilgit and "northern areas" of Pak Kashmir that have never forgotten the pogrom instigated against them. Insurgencies in Gilgit, Balochistan, Waziristan etc would be fairly easy to sustain by the CIA. Nothing like the Northern Allliance though... no real threat to the Pakistani state which can bring overwhelming firepower and manpower to bear. USAF could rapidly degrade most of the airpower and heavy weapons but it is unlikely the locals could resist the Pak infantry. There is however an army nearby available for use. With more than a million men, all volunteers, and a long fighting history. |
| Posted by: John Frum 2007-07-24 11:21 |
| #12 Some of your people can read??? |
| Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 2007-07-24 11:07 |
| #11 ". . . some of our people do not like what we read in some of your newspapers." You and me both! |
| Posted by: Mike 2007-07-24 10:57 |
| #10 Sorry, but I just don't give a damn about "collateral damage" in Islamic countries. The "collateral" is the same citizenry that has tolerated this Islamic nonsense. Islam is the problem. Islam has always been the problem. |
| Posted by: Crusader 2007-07-24 10:21 |
| #9 RD: Asymmetric warfare is fine, etc. I would prefer radically asymmetrical retaliation. You threaten us; we kill you. |
| Posted by: Excalibur 2007-07-24 10:14 |
| #8 US newspapers make me angry, also. And for the same reason Khurshid. Your pansy-wansy Army is so organized it can't stop parading and making charts instead of fighting. |
| Posted by: Jack is Back! 2007-07-24 10:11 |
| #7 US newspapers are making us 'very angry' Ok, I'll bite. What DOESN'T make you very angry? |
| Posted by: DarthVader 2007-07-24 09:52 |
| #6 Frankly, I don't really care that they are "very angry". Time to call a terror crib by it's real name |
| Posted by: Frank G 2007-07-24 09:23 |
| #5 ROLF Doc! Just what my coffee and keyboasrd needed! Clean UP! |
| Posted by: RD 2007-07-24 08:45 |
| #4 John, What we did in A-Stan originally was a brilliant strategy, executed brilliantly. We out 'asymmetrical'ed' the Talibunnies. It really should be the model in the long war against Islamic terrorism. We have the resource and the minds to do it 'Light', Parking an Army somewhere [Iraq] with the long logistics tail should be the last resort...if need OK but... In Afghanistan we had Ahmad Shah Masood and the Northern Alliance to work with. [9/11 NY and Masood's assassination] Today events are unfolding fast in Pakistan, tending South.. What are your thoughts on the Paki Shiites are there any reliable allies in that group? You would think that they would have some great Intel and be natural enemies of the Paki Sunnis. ... |
| Posted by: RD 2007-07-24 08:42 |
| #3 Fatwa for you, Infidels! |
| Posted by: doc 2007-07-24 08:36 |
| #2 Wolfie Blitzer reminds me of young snot nosed punk who tries to stir up trouble between his older sisters buy snitching one off against the other. Hard to believe that this guy is the professional standard for Television today. Some CNN broad probably has his nuts in a jar. ~~~~~ As for making The Paki-Waki foreign minster and his friends 'very angry', too fucking bad sissys. |
| Posted by: RD 2007-07-24 08:15 |
| #1 "Pakistan's army is one of the most organized armies in the world. ... What we can do, nobody can do better," About a decade ago President Mubarak of Egypt is said to have confronted Nawaz Sharif about Egyptian jihadis training in Pakistan. Sharif gave the usual excuses about the army not being able to move against the terror training camps. Exasperated, Mubarak asked him "What if I send my army to clean out the area? We can do it if your army is incapable". But Kasuri is correct about the Pakistani army bing organized. The ISI is staffed by officers on temporary assignment from their regular military units. The ISI does the bidding of the Pak Army General Staff. It is no rogue organization. |
| Posted by: John Frum 2007-07-24 08:11 |