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Britain
Muslims must help police more, leaders urge
2007-07-04
Britain's most influential Muslim umbrella group yesterday signalled a significant shift in policy as it urged its communities to play a key and potentially decisive role in the fight against terrorism.

Declaring that "condemnation is not enough", leaders of the Muslim Council of Britain appealed to all Muslims to work hand in hand with the police.
Declaring that "condemnation is not enough", leaders of the Muslim Council of Britain, which has 400 affiliate organisations, voiced its most robust message yet and appealed to all Muslims to work hand in hand with the police. The message carries dangers for the MCB which has been criticised by radical activists for being too close to government and the establishment.

But Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, the MCB's secretary general, said the current crisis meant that issues of conflict between the government, police and Muslim communities - who have clashed in the past over anti-terrorist incidents and foreign policy - needed to be put to one side.

"When the house is on fire, the concern must be not to blame each other but to put the fire out. Our country is under threat level critical." He added: "Those who seek to deliberately kill or maim innocent people are the enemies of us all. There is no cause whatsoever that could possibly justify such barbarity."

He said the police and security services "deserve the fullest support and cooperation from each and every sector of our society, including all Muslims".

The MCB has called a meeting in London on Saturday of key imams and activists from all over the country to discuss what Muslim communities can do to confront the threat and to discuss whether more should have been done in the past.

"It is our Islamic duty not only to utterly and totally condemn such evil actions but to provide all the necessary support to prevent such atrocities from taking place," said Dr Bari.

Inayat Bunglawala, the MCB's assistant general secretary, said anyone with information should not feel conflicted. He said the MCB was confident that affiliates would back the new stance. "The overwhelming majority of Muslims will understand the predicament our nation is in. The risk is not that we will lose affiliates. We are more likely to gain them."

Though shocked by the failed terrorist attacks on London and Glasgow, there are signs that the MCB and government are seeking to seize the moment. Relations between Muslim leaders and the Blair government deteriorated amid concerns that the prime minister, former home secretary John Reid and former communities secretary Ruth Kelly gave succour to those who sought to blame the wider Muslim communities for terrorism.

But Dr Bari was quick to praise Gordon Brown and Jacqui Smith, the new home secretary for the "calm and reassuring tone" of their comments since the weekend's attacks. "They made clear that it was unacceptable to hold any one faith group responsible for the actions of a few," he said. He also praised Alex Salmond, Scotland's first minister who provided high profile reassurance to Muslims north of the border.

The unfolding events, though horrific, may well strengthen the hand of moderate Muslim opinion. One source said: "There is little room for manoeuvre for those who have previously been in denial or have clung to conspiracy theories."

Anti-terrorist chiefs have been quick to stress the need for communities to provide them with the intelligence they need to find and monitor suspects. But close liaison between Muslim leaders and the authorities is also seen as crucial in the battle for "hearts and minds" to stop a whole new generation of young people becoming radicalised.

The rallying call gained broad approval from Muslims shopping and trading in east London.
The rallying call gained broad approval from Muslims shopping and trading amid the bustle of Whitechapel market in east London. "I think the MCB have got it absolutely right," said Abdul Ali, 30, as he tended his jewellery stall. "If I had information I would go to the police. The people killed in a terrorist attack could be my son or my sister."

A young woman in her 30s, her head covered, said: "We all know these people have nothing to do with Islam. They are extremists just like the BNP." But two men smoking by an electrical stall said some Muslims had grievances that only government could address. "They say it is because of Iraq and some say it is because of the Afghan attacks. Those in power will have to solve those problems first."

Posted by:lotp

#19  "They say it is because of Iraq and some say it is because of the Afghan attacks. Those in power will have to solve those problems first."

Fuck off islamic dipwads.
Posted by: JohnQC   2007-07-04 17:13  

#18  I'm getting some of this "shift in the wind" feeling, (wrote about it yesterday, here) and I think so is Wretchard at Belmont Club, in the comments to this post. There is another Belmont Club post that I couldn't find, where someone (Wretchard, I think) commented that basically, the middle-class and working class are now looking less and less for leadership from the traditional political, cultural and media elites. In their hearts, those elites have already sold out - they got theirs, jack, whether the issue is global warming, illegal aliens or Moslem holy-war against the West. The a large portion of the rest of us are slowly coming to that realization, and realizing that we must take action ourselves. Hence the mutterings about torches, pitchforks and barricades.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom   2007-07-04 14:21  

#17  I'm hearing some of that shift in the wind feeling ... but what they do about it remains to be seen. I haven't written them off, but I'm not holding my breath either.
Posted by: lotp   2007-07-04 10:37  

#16  Or they can sense a shift in the wind... There is violence in the air. There is a limit to our patience. Then there will be an end to it.
Posted by: Excalibur   2007-07-04 10:34  

#15  #9: Happy Independence Day! btw..

Bet you wish we were still running things eh?



No Howard, we're very glad you're NOT.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2007-07-04 10:15  

#14  Not a Bridge, A tunnel. (Bridge keeps getting washed away)
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2007-07-04 10:12  

#13  New Flash, Muslim Council of Britain: And we have a bridge over the Atlantic ocean to sell you.
Posted by: Icerigger   2007-07-04 08:21  

#12  They are extremists just like the BNP.

You have to fight fire with fire. Sounds like a backhanded endorsement for the next general.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2007-07-04 08:14  

#11  "Those who seek to deliberately kill or maim innocent people are the enemies of us all. There is no cause whatsoever that could possibly justify such barbarity."

We need a Bullshit MeterTM...
Posted by: Raj   2007-07-04 06:43  

#10  Deport the lot
Posted by: Rational   2007-07-04 03:37  

#9  Happy Independence Day! btw..

Bet you wish we were still running things eh?

</ biting sarcasm >
Posted by: Howard UK   2007-07-04 03:34  

#8  It took the MCB 3+ days to condemn the bungled attacks. Looks like some serious discussions were going on... Thanks lads but a little late to prove sincere. You're still on the list.
Posted by: Howard UK   2007-07-04 03:26  

#7  If some members would cooperate with police, it is only for the purpose of gathering intelligence about police moves.

Taqiyya turns the notion of Muslim reliability into an oxymoron.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-07-04 03:15  

#6  A young woman in her 30s, her head covered, said: "We all know these people have nothing to do with Islam. They are extremists just like the BNP."

Denial, misdirection and conspiracy theorizing are such deeply embedded traits within even the Muslims living in Western nations that relying on them for cooperation is looking more and more hopeless.

I even saw in a European newspaper article the phrase, "to win the hearts and minds" applied to Muslims living in England who Gordon Brown was appealing to for assistance in investigating this case.
Posted by: Grumenk Philalzabod0723   2007-07-04 02:59  

#5  "There is little room for manoeuvre for those who have previously been in denial or have clung to conspiracy theories."

Quite right. It is almost a certainty that they will continue to be in denial and cling to conspiracy theories. It is almost six years after the 9-11 atrocities and Muslim cooperation with the authorities remains nearly imperceptible. SR-71 nailed it yesterday. Islam has reformed itself. It is now returning to its true fundamentalist roots with all the violence and mayhem that such a move implies.
Posted by: Zenster   2007-07-04 02:25  

#4  Inayat Bunglawala, taqiyyaist of reknown... also for his emails to LGF's Charles Johnson, promissing standard Islamist fare of joys like beheading and such.

There is not one word in the MCB announcement that is true. If some members would cooperate with police, it is only for the purpose of gathering intelligence about police moves.

Posted by: twobyfour   2007-07-04 00:23  

#3  On a more serious note, maybe the new PMs absurd proclamation yesterday was part of a back scratching accord.

Or its entirely likely that the guy is a flake and I'm full of you know what.
Posted by: Mike N.    2007-07-04 00:18  

#2  Yeah, moslems must help police identify anti-moslem discrimination.
Posted by: Gary and the Samoyeds   2007-07-04 00:15  

#1  Some of them are getting so good at taqiyya now that they have actually gone out and tried to fool is into thinking that they want to help. Yeah, sure. Like I'm gonna fall for that one. As if.
Posted by: Mike N.    2007-07-04 00:11  

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