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| We Have Got Him On CCTV |
| 2007-07-01 |
| POLICE have a "crystal clear" CCTV image of the Haymarket car bomber who they already know, it was claimed last night. Detectives reportedly believe the male suspect was locked up and quizzed over a mass murder plot by convicted al-Qaeda terrorist Dhiren Barot to pack three limos with gas, petrol and nail bombs. The dramatic claim was made by US TV station ABC News. Officers are understood to have a picture of a man outside the Tiger Tiger club. Last night, specialists were thought to be studying the image with high-tech equipment. The Haymarket is one of the most closely monitored areas in the world. Westminster Council has 160 24-hour CCTV cameras trained across the area. Hundreds more check London's congestion charge and capture the registration plates of every vehicle coming in and out of the zone. Detectives will also be able to scour camera tapes from private venues, such as theatres, clubs and restaurants. Yesterday's plot has chilling similarities to 34-year-old Barot's conspiracy and another by terrorist Omar Khayam, 25, to blow up Bluewater shopping centre and nightclubs. The pair were snared before they could carry out their cowardly attacks. Barot was jailed for 30 years in December. Khayam was jailed for 40 years earlier this year. It is now feared yesterday's would-be bombers may have combined the wicked pair's plans to launch an attack. Anti-terror chief Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke said last night the Haymarket bomb "resonated with previous plots". Barot told al-Qaeda chiefs in Pakistan why he favoured using gas canisters for bombs. In a 39-page document, he said: "Gas can be employed to cause large-scale damage to structures since many of them (gas types) are extremely flammable as well as explosive. Since, in the Western world, it is not always possible/feasible to obtain real destructive ingredients (eg common explosives) the project was based on being an improvised explosive device, hence gas." The proposal - found by Pakistani police on a laptop - coldly stated its aims were "to be able to inflict mass damage and chaos". Barot suggested packing petrol cans with nails to "further maximise the damage caused" and said each cylinder would become a "huge exploding grenade" when detonated. The Kenyan-born Muslim convert, who lived in North London, also had a plan B. He said: "As a secondary recourse, we are trying to obtain grenades since these may offer better success. I have several times come close to obtaining a few and feel confident, Inshallah (God willing), that I will be able to get my hands on some in the near future." Barot wanted each limo to contain a dozen 47kg cylinders of propane gas and ordered the bomb raids to be carried out simultaneously. He concluded: "Projects are to be co-ordinated back to back - as they were with 9/11 - thus forming another black day for the enemies of Islam." Barot was arrested in 2004 after a tip-off by Pakistani police. His seven followers were jailed two weeks ago. In a bugged conversation, Khayam and Jawad Akbhar discussed bombing the packed Ministry of Sound, in South London. Khayam, of Crawley, West Sussex, asked: "If you got a job in a bar, yeah, or club, say the Ministry of Sound, what are you planning to do there then?" Akbhar replied: "Blow the whole thing up." Police are not sure the Tiger Tiger club was the target of the latest bomb plot because there are other nightspots nearby. However, a source said: "We know al-Qaeda-style terrorists have spoken about targeting nightclubs and, specifically, women." Police are appalled by the threat of car bombs because of their destructive power. |
| Posted by:Fred |
| #22 There were quite a few Bantu's from Somalia in Fort Wayne when I lived there from 2000 to 2006. I never noticed their involvement in any gang violence. They were good citizens. Note - there was plent of meth related crime in the rural outskirts and several gang related shootings in the urban areas. |
| Posted by: Super Hose 2007-07-01 17:45 |
| #21 no, we don't. Contact your congresscritter and demand accountability! |
| Posted by: Frank G 2007-07-01 17:44 |
| #20 I submit for you the stunning example of the 41,000 Somali's who were admitted to the US legally last year. 95% Sunni, literally from a lawless state with no background checks because none are possible given the fragmented, chaotic, virtually non-existent government there. Further, almost certainly illiterate or marginally educated, clannish to the extreme, experienced in virtually nothing except crime and corruption given the nature of the cultural milieu they come from, and concentrating in Minnesota, San Diego and New Jersey. Gang crime and violence, intolerant behavior towards non-muslims.... do we really want them coming here? |
| Posted by: Just AboutEnough 2007-07-01 17:34 |
| #19 Shipman: I have no idea what you mean. |
| Posted by: Excalibur 2007-07-01 17:13 |
| #18 Well now ExMan, it's culturalal thing, once we have the concentrations camps going it'll become all to damn clear for you. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2007-07-01 15:49 |
| #17 I confess I am bit baffled at what appears to be an ongoing blind spot toward the IRA amongst many Americans. There is no ambiguity about pakistani men shouting "allah". Even the worst of the IRA's attacks - including the ones which discredited them amongst Irish "nationalists" in Ireland if not in the States - were nothing compared to the calculated barbarity of the muslims. For all that the IRA targeted, for example, Harrod's as part of its fatuous armed struggle they never set out to slaughter women in nightclubs, rape schoolchildren or manufacture snuff videos for the internet. The IRA's Catholic fascism-with-a-Marxist-veneer and, for that matter, the Protestant death-squads and their sympathizers in the Ulster security forces maintained still had limits as to what they would do. But as for the ambiguity: muslims are not subtle and they are not terribly bright. After the fact many will simultaneously claim credit for an attack while blaming it on the Jews (as will the traitor left and the BBC). But the actual culprits almost invariably make a home video for their Orc god before setting out to kill. Aside from a hypersensitive media I doubt any future attack will vary so much in its MO that there will be any lasting doubt as to the authors of the grisly work. |
| Posted by: Excalibur 2007-07-01 14:55 |
| #16 Good point, JiB. Britain's resolution of The Troubles would finally allow them to decouple any ambiguity as to the origin of future terrorist attacks. Until then I suppose we can always rely upon the bloodyminded Muslims to trumpet their responsibility. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-07-01 14:30 |
| #15 Until there is real peace and powersharing in Ulster, getting rid of all the Muzzies in the UK will not necessarily make the UK safe from terrorism. Their experience with the IRA goes back a lot further than the current crop of terrorists. The IRA even got close to Maggie, remember? |
| Posted by: Jack is Back! 2007-07-01 13:45 |
| #14 only the national front in france Nope, nope, nope... the FN base is anti-immigration and anti-islam and would love to have muslim shipped back to their countries, but the FN itself never advocated more than halting immigration and reserving jobs and social services for french (the catch being the immigrants born in France are french too, this ambiguity never was resolved, and was used to try very unsuccessfully to attract the migrant vote this year). In all aspects, it was assimilationist, and the new strategy it follows since 2002 is to even reduce that to integrationsim, JMLP said during the presidential campaign that he saw islam as a factor of social cohesiveness in the 'hoods, he had a publicized venture into an islamized area to tell the inhabitants they were french, and that he would help them integrate into society. Of course, this "normalization" of the FN, and its leftization (the party's ideologist and one adviser were part of a symposium recently, with the main guest being a general from venezuela, come to expose the chavez revolution's ideals... think about it, the new reference for the new FN is chavez...) have been badly perceived by the base, all the while sarko was acting like if he was a conservative and a rightwinger, so the FN is in serious decline, and in dire internal crisis and in the way of becoming a cult around the aging and dictatorial JMLP and his spawn (with hindsight, he was a terrible, terrible thing to happen to the white national movement, from his unwillingless to actually try to get in power, to his antisemite bon mots). Believe me, there's no political party in France that advocate mass expellations. In the current situation, this is IMPOSSIBLE (and like Roger Holeindre, one very interesting FN biggie said, "there's too many of them, and they're french")... and the day it will become possible to advocate it, then, we all will have shifted paradigm, and will be in a whole system/situation altogether. Basically, we'll be in pre-civil & ethnic war. Not a pleasant thought. |
| Posted by: anonymous5089 2007-07-01 11:35 |
| #13 Noooooooooooo! 'moose! Nooooooooo, go back to the thousands and thousands of stuff, Allen Funt is take over my Hed! |
| Posted by: Shipman 2007-07-01 09:52 |
| #12 When it's least expected - you're elected. You're the star today Smile! You're on Candid Camera! With a hocus-pocus - you're in focus. It's your lucky day Smile! You're on Candid Camera! It's fun to laugh at yourself. It's a tonic, tried and true. It's fun to laugh at yourself as other people do. How's your sense of humor? There's a rumor: Laughter's on its way. Smile! You're on Candid Camera! Smile! You're on Candid Camera! |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2007-07-01 09:48 |
| #11 Indeed. It's what they fear most. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2007-07-01 09:39 |
| #10 But suicidal terrorists do not fear any punishment the law can inflict Bloody posturing nonsense. There's nothing the terrorists fear more, deep in their hearts, than ending up maimed and in solitary confinement for the rest of their long, long lives. No end to the pain, no virgins at the end of it, and no mates to impress with ever more viciously unrealistic plans for world conquest. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2007-07-01 08:52 |
| #9 Adding to #3: 6. Separation from muslims by large distances. |
| Posted by: ed 2007-07-01 08:35 |
| #8 "We know al-Qaeda-style terrorists have spoken about targeting nightclubs and, specifically, women." Once the public fully understand this fact, the government had better have taken sterner measures than any that have been tried thus far (in a democracy). It will be lynchings and mass reprisals. At that point we find out if the power of the State will once again be used to prevent its own citizenry from defending itself as the whole topples into a new islamic Dark Age. Zenster: I believe you are showing great moderation in your discussion of this latest outrage. My suggestions are currently illegal... One day they will either be mandatory or irrelevant to Rantburg readers as the lot of us shall be dead or fighting on from the hills. |
| Posted by: Excalibur 2007-07-01 07:40 |
| #7 curious only the national front in france and BNP in UK.however we are bombarded by BBC types telling us these are hoodlums/extremist.To my mind they are the only ones willing to stand up to the enemy within!!!! |
| Posted by: Paul 2007-07-01 07:09 |
| #6 Just out of curiosity, is there any political party in Britain or the rest of Europe for that matter, that is advocating a serious solution to the "Muslim Problem"? (ie. expelling them). |
| Posted by: CuriousGeorge 2007-07-01 05:07 |
| #5 terrorist Omar Khayam "A jug of triacetone triperoxide, a loaf of C-4 and thou." |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-07-01 04:38 |
| #4 Prevention of terrorism is very difficult Especially if you refuse to remove Muslims from within your society. Any bets on terrorism dropping by over 90% in a society where there are no Muslims? You bet this is nasty. Guess what? Terrorism is even nastier and there must be an end to it. Muslims are the single largest source of terrorism and until they themselves begin doing something to reverse that statistic, they should be excluded from civilized society. But suicidal terrorists do not fear any punishment the law can inflict so the efficacy of law enforcement will not discourage them. And since their objective is to inflict as much carnage and destruction as possible, it is critical to stop them before they can carry out their mission. Which is simply impossible. Open society precludes the opportunity to avert clandestine terrorist attacks. While such measures as secure borders, national ID cards and the like will help reduce terrorist attacks, they cannot ensure against them. Sadly, the absence of Muslims is one of the few things that will reduce terrorist attacks by several orders of magnitude. Were there other equally effective strategies, I would cheerfully support them. Quite simply, there are not. Witness the dramatic reduction in bomb vest attacks now that Israel's security fence excludes the presence of unwanted Muslims. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-07-01 04:33 |
| #3 Rapid detection, pursuit and arrest following a crime is fine when you are trying to catch bank robbers or drug pushers. Also, the high arrest and conviction rates can discourage potential perpetrators. But suicidal terrorists do not fear any punishment the law can inflict so the efficacy of law enforcement will not discourage them. And since their objective is to inflict as much carnage and destruction as possible, it is critical to stop them before they can carry out their mission. This will require a change in approach far beyond making our law enforcement capabilities more robust. It requires a combination of things which are already extant to various degrees: 1. Secure borders 2. National ID cards 3. Domestic surveillance 4. Denial of national entry to those with an undesirable ideology (or theology) linked to terrorism 5. Political, economic and military interdiction abroad in failed states/state sponsors of terrorism and possibly targeted killings of foreign terrorist planners/agents based on intel Sadly, a number of highly lethal attacks will probably take place in our Western nations before sufficiently serious countermeasures are taken. The lesson I take from the events of the past few days is that we have collectively made strides in security but our greatest ally has been luck and the incompetence of our enemy. |
| Posted by: Grumenk Philalzabod0723 2007-07-01 04:03 |
| #2 Yet, even this level of surveillance cannot discourage the murderous assaults But it did enable them to catch the perp quickly. Prevention of terrorism is very difficult, as is prevention of most crime, which is why the emphasis (re crime) is on detection. |
| Posted by: phil_b 2007-07-01 03:01 |
| #1 The Haymarket is one of the most closely monitored areas in the world. Westminster Council has 160 24-hour CCTV cameras trained across the area. Yet, even this level of surveillance cannot discourage the murderous assaults of Islamic terrorists. What does this say for the prospects of thwarting (what shall soon become), everyday terrorism? Police are appalled by the threat of car bombs because of their destructive power. Yet, they remain even more appalled at daring to connect the dots between their Muslim population and the near-constant threat of vicious atrocities. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-07-01 02:31 |