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Guantanamo lawyers predict more suicides
2007-04-30

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) - Lawyers envision more suicides and despair at Guantanamo Bay if the U.S. Justice Department succeeds in severely restricting access to detainees by defense attorneys, virtually the only contact inmates have with the outside world.
The only people you have to talk to are lawyers. No wonder they're suicidal...
The Justice Department has asked the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit to limit the number of lawyer visits allowed to three after an initial face-to-face meeting, to tighten censorship of mail from attorneys and to give the military more control over what they can discuss with detainees. Lawyers for detainees believe that if their visits are limited, detainee desperation will deepen and more will try to kill themselves. On June 10, 2006, two Saudi detainees and one Yemeni hanged themselves with sheets, the first and only suicides since the 2002 opening of the detention center that now holds about 380 inmates.
Ya need another sheet there, Mahmoud? How about shoelaces? Ya need some shoelaces?
"Belt looks a little tight there, Mahmoud, let's give you a longer belt."
"Visits by lawyers are one of the few bright spot these men have," attorney Zachary Katznelson told The Associated Press from Guantanamo, where he is spending two weeks to meet with 18 client detainees.
...and lawyer boy wonders why they're suicidal?
Clive Stafford Smith, an attorney for several Guantanamo detainees, said curtailing lawyer visits would likely lead more prisoners to attempt suicide. "The level of depression is soaring, I am afraid," he said over the weekend.
Awwwwwww...
Many detainees are kept in isolation in small cells with no natural light. With no prison sentence having been pronounced — except for one Australian detainee — the detainees do not know when they will get out, if ever. Many have been there for more than five years.
Jeez, sounds like time for another hunger strike...
Attorney Stephen Oleskey, who represents six Algerians, said more suicides are "a real risk" if the court restricts lawyer-client contacts. "I've seen firsthand the mental conditions of my clients deteriorate in isolation," Oleskey said from Boston. "And I think the impact of further restrictions would be dramatic."
Ummmmmmm...so?
... and even if we'd release them, most of them have nowhere to go since their home countries don't want them ...
Meanwhile, Katznelson sees the move to restrict attorney access as an attempt to seal the facility from critics. "If we cannot come in, the only news getting out of here will be the government's carefully crafted version," Katznelson said in an e-mail Saturday.
Instead of our carefully crafted version...
It is the attorneys, arriving at the base in southeast Cuba aboard military planes or tiny commuter flights, who provide the world with information about hunger strikes, solitary confinement and other details about the detainees. Journalists can visit but are barred by the military from interviewing detainees. The Red Cross, which occasionally visits, keeps its findings confidential.
Here's an idea. Give their clients new roomates! Whaddya say counselors? All the access to 'em ya want, 24/7! Cheers the boys up! Whaddya say? A win-win for everybody!
But military commanders at Guantanamo and the Justice Department view the lawyers with suspicion.
Well can ya beat that?
Navy Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon, a Pentagon spokesman, told the AP the military has been giving broad lawyer access to many detainees — even though they are accused of having al-Qaida or Taliban links and the United States is still at war. The mail system was "misused" to inform detainees about military operations in Iraq, activities of terrorist leaders, efforts in the war on terror, the Hezbollah attack on Israel and abuse at Abu Ghraib prison, the Justice Department said in this month's court filing.
Hmmmm? Maybe grounds for disbarment?
Barry M. Kamin, president of the New York City Bar, called the assertions "astonishing and disingenuous" in a letter to U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. Lawyers for detainees also dismissed the claims, calling them a pretext to deprive detainees of proper legal representation. "There have been a lot of extreme statements made," said Oleskey, referring to U.S. government criticism of legal defense efforts. "I think it's unfortunate and it should stop."
Lawyers lying? Preposterous, I tells ya! Preposterous!
Posted by:tu3031

#24  The tone of the article is to suggest that depression and suicide tendencies on the part of detainees is the result of incarceration, particularly at the hands of the evil George Bush. What is never mentioned is that this depressive state of mind is what drove these people into jihad in the first place.

So rather than offer even marginal defense to a client of not being in sound mind when participating in criminal action, these lawyers would rather blame the government for mistreatment. Their personal agendas trump basic representation.
Posted by: john   2007-04-30 21:39  

#23  There goes the lawyer's meal ticket.
Posted by: ed   2007-04-30 21:05  

#22  What better way for lawyers to express their outrage than by joining suicidal clients in their final act?
Posted by: Kirk   2007-04-30 20:30  

#21  works for me.
Posted by: Broadhead6   2007-04-30 20:27  

#20  So?
Posted by: 3dc   2007-04-30 20:13  

#19  I hear Nifong needs a gig.
Posted by: doc   2007-04-30 15:41  

#18  mojo, yes the lawyers are only bitching because they can't keep charging the government for dead clients
Posted by: sinse   2007-04-30 15:18  

#17  I heard last week it takes the lawyers a long time to gain the confidence of the detainees. Just having a Soros business card isn't enough.

So they gotta do some things to gain the confidence, ya know? Like letters, information, data, nifty stories, files, saws, stuff to throw at the guards, ya know? Like the nice lady that wuz disbarred last week, ya know whad I'm sayin', here?
Posted by: Bobby   2007-04-30 14:53  

#16  Some brighten this world by entering it, others by leaving it. Every one of these sick twisted fucks wanted to die for his cause. I say, let 'em!
Posted by: Zenster   2007-04-30 14:39  

#15  More martyrs for Allah...EGGGGSS-A-LENT!!!!
Posted by: sHaKeY STeVe   2007-04-30 14:35  

#14  I predict more lawyers. The pro-bono kind on the Soros payroll.
Posted by: Tiny Unoting1355   2007-04-30 14:18  

#13  I was one 'inline' into this article and I had it pegged as that of tu's work. Gave me a reason to like Mondays!
Posted by: USN. Ret.   2007-04-30 13:45  

#12  If talking to lawyers is bugginb them, change it up. One day lawyers, next day Pastor Fred Phelps.
Posted by: plainslow   2007-04-30 13:31  

#11  Pity they can't take a few of these terrorist-enablersLawyers with them.
Posted by: doc   2007-04-30 13:28  

#10  I see this as more of a feature than a bug.
Posted by: DarthVader   2007-04-30 13:26  

#9  Ah, Soros the evil puppeteer of the left.
Posted by: JohnQC   2007-04-30 13:21  

#8  Zachary Katznelson - Sr. Counsel of a group called "Reprieve".
Clive Stafford Smith - Founder of Reprieve and a former Soros Senior Fellow.

Odd that the story didn't see fit to mention their affiliation.
Posted by: eLarson   2007-04-30 13:08  

#7  Mojo--it's kind of like the surgeon whose said the opertion was a success but the patient died. With lawyers: "I got him off but lost my client.".
Posted by: JohnQC   2007-04-30 13:00  

#6  Can we issue them each a noose?
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2007-04-30 12:57  

#5  Are the lawyers feeling depressed for some reason?...
Posted by: mojo   2007-04-30 12:57  

#4  You can have suicide with a bomb or suicide without a bomb. Suicide without a bomb is far more preferable with these guys. You say they are hanging themselves with sheets. Give them more sheets.
Posted by: JohnQC   2007-04-30 12:54  

#3  They should be placed on "suicide watch": if any of 'em try to off themselves, the guards should stand back and watch.
Posted by: Mike   2007-04-30 12:51  

#2  And the bad news is...what???
Posted by: anymouse   2007-04-30 12:43  

#1  What's the downside?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2007-04-30 12:41  

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