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| French more disliked in France than in US |
| 2007-04-28 |
| The French dislike themselves even more than the Americans dislike them, according to an opinion poll published on Friday. The survey of six nations, carried out for the International Herald Tribune daily and France 24 TV station, said 44 percent of French people thought badly of themselves against 38 percent of U.S. respondents who had a negative view of the French. Only 14 percent of Germans, 25 percent of Italians, 29 percent of Spaniards and 33 percent of Britons had a negative view of the French, according to the Harris/Novatris poll, which questioned more than 1,000 people in each country. Looked at from another perspective, the Germans have the highest regard for their neighbors, with 73 percent saying they had a positive view of the French. By contrast, some 63 percent of Italians had a positive view of the French, 54 percent of Spaniards, 51 percent of French, 41 percent of Britons and just 35 percent of Americans. Relations between France and the United States plunged following Paris's fierce opposition to the U.S.-led war in Iraq. Thursday's poll said 74 percent of Americans said whoever wins the second round of France's presidential election on May 6 should try to improve relations with the United States. Some 41 percent of French agreed, but 20 percent believed Paris should be even more distant with Washington. |
| Posted by:Jackal |
| #18 The French dislike themselves even more than the Americans dislike them Does anyone think the French would let themselves be outdone at such a vital task? |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-04-28 14:55 |
| #17 Sounds like a dangerous symptom, doesn't it. |
| Posted by: bigjim-ky 2007-04-28 11:37 |
| #16 You have to wonder about this self-loathing in a country. It does seem to be a real thing for some people. Where is the love of country? Is this the result of years of multiculturalism, lack of assimilation and the encouragement of such, pseudo-illectualism, an open-door for immigrants both legal and illegal, the welfare state, school systems that inculcate horse pucky, and politicians greedy for votes? |
| Posted by: JohnQC 2007-04-28 11:08 |
| #15 |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2007-04-28 10:35 |
| #14 It's tough enough beating the enemy in front; it's hell when you've got to beat your own side first. That analog exists in the US today also. The donks in Congress, the left, the left msm are all conspirators courting defeat and dhemmitude. The American version of Adieu ma France" will be written here if we are not careful. |
| Posted by: JohnQC 2007-04-28 10:35 |
| #13 JFM, Do you think there is any non-Muslim group in France with sufficient will to fight the islamicization that is happening? How does the military feel about what is happening there? Does it have too many muzzy troops to be considered reliable for suppressing terror in the banlieues? Are most of the French who feel as you do worried to the point of considering emigrating? |
| Posted by: Mac 2007-04-28 09:37 |
| #12 One of the worse things was when after eth offical end of war, the FLN masscred French civilians at Oran while the French Army stood idle following De Gaulles's orders. The only one who didobeyed was a lieutenant (don't rember) who assmbled a few men ad went to the rescue of the civilans. He was an Algerian. But for de Gaulle the French of North Africa who had more Spanih and Italian blood than from France's heartland were not true French: thay died at Cassino while the French were serving champgne to the Germans but still unworthey to breathe the same air than the real French. I will not tell about the shameful way harkis were abandonned (it was to be the French Army who disarmed them, FLM couldn't have done it because the harkis heavily outnumbered the FLN) and the appalling treatment that the few ones who managed to escape got from the Gaullist authorities. Example: a woman gives birth and teh same day they are brought back to their I will not tell about his total lack of interst for the French who were left in FLN's hands, about wives of officers who ended in Algerian brothels. Much later he commented one of his actions during the May 68 riotes telling: "That was not De Gaulle, that was Pétain" (Ce n'était pas du De Gaulle c'était du Pétain".) But his pPetainistaion had begun ten years before. |
| Posted by: JFM 2007-04-28 08:36 |
| #11 JFM, I've always thought that the worst betrayal France ever suffered was DeGaulle throwing away Challe's military victory in Algeria. He thought France could run away from its North African troubles; instead, they followed the departing French back to Europe. As for men like Massu and Aussaresses using torture in Algeria, I have no problem with it. The ONLY thing the muzzies understand is force and I think your side proved that when you conclusively won the Battle of Algiers. Ben M'hidi deserved to die and I'm glad Aussaresses strangled him. Your side should have executed Ben Bella and his compatriots as well. God knows the FLN took a savagely bloody revenge against harkis who fought for you, and they used torture more often than you did. It was a bitter, no-holds-barred war, and you won--then threw your victory away. Your military was tough enough to win; your government was too cowardly to let them. I could understand that from the Fourth Republic; it was unforgiveable coming from DeGaulle. It has to be truly sickening to be in the French military these days because you could not help but know that there are no conceivable circumstances where your government would not be looking to stab you in the back for taking the actions necessary to prevail in conflicts THEY sent you to fight. It's tough enough beating the enemy in front; it's hell when you've got to beat your own side first. |
| Posted by: Mac 2007-04-28 08:08 |
| #10 Massu: Died in 2002. BTW, my blood boils when I see in Wikipedia that he used torture. It is true but Wikipedia doesn't tell that rthe alternative was either you make that guy confess or you will have dozens of dead in the bombing of a bar or an entire village will be massacred in the most horrendous way. Leclerc: died in a plane crash during the Indochina war. De Lattre: died in 1952, a broken man after the loss of his son in Indochina. Bigeard: He is still alive. Two years ago he published a book "Adieu ma France" (farewll my France) whre he detailed how Chirac and Mitterrand had destroyed France , how values like work existed no more and alerted about France's dhimmification. |
| Posted by: JFM 2007-04-28 07:53 |
| #9 JFM, what the hell happened to Frenchmen like Massu, Leclerc, De Lattre and Bigeard? Is there anyone, besides the muzzys, left in your country who has any balls? |
| Posted by: Mac 2007-04-28 06:54 |
| #8 Only 33 percent of Britons had a negative view of the French. I thought the figure would be double that. |
| Posted by: Mark Espinola 2007-04-28 04:37 |
| #7 anonymous2u: Right click on it and pick an option. |
| Posted by: gorb 2007-04-28 04:31 |
| #6 "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." I am sorry to disapoint you but your quote is probably apocriphal. According to Martin Blumenson Patton was quite a francophile and freindaly towards the "real Free French" instead of the Vichy dropouts favoured by the Roosevelt administration. I know that has been rude blow to you, but there is nothing who can't be fixed with a lerge bottle of whisky. |
| Posted by: JFM 2007-04-28 02:46 |
| #5 How do I print that pic out???? |
| Posted by: anonymous2u 2007-04-28 02:16 |
#4  "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." General George S. Patton. |
| Posted by: Thromonter Unaique4484 2007-04-28 01:07 |
| #3 Those Brit numbers are not nearly negative enough. Another sign that you can stick a fork in the UK. |
| Posted by: Verlaine 2007-04-28 00:27 |
| #2 As usual, I must bow to their superior knowledge |
| Posted by: Ulomoque Scourge of the Heathen Rus2673 2007-04-28 00:09 |
| #1 D'accord. |
| Posted by: Thor Spusong9153 2007-04-28 00:09 |