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Home Front: WoT
Pelosi calls for "date certain" Retreat
2007-03-08
WASHINGTON (AP) -- In a direct challenge to every knowledgeable Military commander President Bush, House Democrats unveiled legislation Thursday requiring the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the fall of next year. Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the deadline would be added to legislation providing nearly $100 billion the Bush administration has requested for fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

She told reporters the measure would mark the first time the new Democratic-controlled Congress has established a "date certain" for the end of U.S. combat in the four-year-old war that has claimed the lives of more than 3,100 U.S. troops.

Rep. David Obey, chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, said the proposal would bring an "orderly and responsible close" to American participation in what he called an Iraqi "civil war."
Kinda like that “Fall of Saigon” thingey.
According to an explanation of the measure distributed by Democratic aides, the timetable for withdrawal would be accelerated if the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki did not meet goals for providing for Iraq's security.
Posted by:DepotGuy

#17  I know in a country where miniscule changes in gasoline prices are considered an issue worthy of public figures strutting their economic illiteracy we are most unlikely to be treated to a debate that is the least serious or educational, but ....

Would someone on the Hill, finally, get up and eviscerate the nonsense about "civil wars" being magically bad or insoluble? Or not being suitable problems for our intervention, if their outcome affects our vital interests?

Civil war, shm-ivil war. If it's in our interest to settle, or influence, a civil war anywhere on Earth, or a war on Mars, or a war between Iceland and Burundi, then we f***ing do it. Or we don't. There's nothing magical or impossible about a "civil war". The threshhold questions are: are our vital interests engaged, and if so is intervention the best (or least worst) way of protecting those interests. Period. Whether something is a civil war or something else is of absolutely no significance.

We should have, long ago, settled this one by crushing the Sunni side. Nothing personal against the Sunnis, but if they want to discuss it they can go talk with Germans in east Prussia - oops, there aren't any - because WARS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. Even internal ones.

A staple platitude of our embassy statements was (probably still is) that "all sects in Iraq suffered under Saddam". Undoubtedly true - and obviously irrelevant. Only one sect prevented Iraq from exploiting its liberation to at least take a few big steps toward becoming a modern and relatively open society. They did so by undertaking or abetting a horrific campaign of terrorism without equal in modern history.

Tragically, we'll never see how the American public could get much smarter, real quick, on several topics if only the adults in government would speak up and correct all the nonsense that passes unchallenged.

Posted by: Verlaine   2007-03-08 23:41  

#16  RIGHTNATION article > NBC > Iraqis don't want America to leave and Insurgents are COUNTING ON EXTERNAL/OUTSIDE HELP.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2007-03-08 22:18  

#15  Ima stealing that Sherry, thanks. Short and sweet and to the point. as opposed to a long one I wrote sometime ago.
Posted by: RD   2007-03-08 22:17  

#14  She, and her cronies like Mumra Murtha (and Kerry and Kennedy) want to return to the glory days of the Democratic Party - back when they betrayed a ally and cut funding and support to South Vietnam.

A few million dead Vietnamese and Cambodians (and now Iraqi's) is a small price to pay (particulary since the DNC won't have to pay it!) for the advancement of the DNC!

They makes me sick! That a disgusting bunch of people!
Posted by: CrazyFool   2007-03-08 20:33  

#13  #12 Sherry - Well done!

Howzabout sending it to Nancy - with a copy to the Washington Post (for form's sake) and the New York Post (so it will actually get published)?

You go, girl! :-D
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2007-03-08 19:17  

#12  Nancy, a little history lesson.

We left troops in Germany, and millions didn't die.

We left troops in Japan, and millions didn't die.

We left troops in Korean, and millions didn't die.

Troops were taken out of Vietnam and millions did die.

Do you see the pattern yet?
Posted by: Sherry   2007-03-08 18:59  

#11  In the name of diversity I wish to express my warmest welcome to our new Muslim overlords.
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi   2007-03-08 18:29  

#10  Put on your red dress black burka baby Nancy And wear your smile
...tra la la la la
Posted by: JohnQC   2007-03-08 17:29  

#9  Someone needs to get up and tell her about the millions of Cambodians and Vietnamese that were murdered because her stinking Congress prohibited funding. That's lives on their self-righteous heads.

Maybe a showing of The Killing Fields?
Posted by: eLarson   2007-03-08 16:50  

#8  This is politics, plain and simple. Someone needs to get up and tell her about the millions of Cambodians and Vietnamese that were murdered because her stinking Congress prohibited funding. That's lives on their self-righteous heads.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2007-03-08 16:45  

#7  She hasta speak soon, because the bad guyz are unravelling - first the Iranian Reza whatizface defects, and now Hek is coming in from the cold. If Nancy can't steal the headlines soon, the good news might overwhelm her!

There. I finished my Dreamsicle.
Posted by: Bobby   2007-03-08 16:29  

#6  said the proposal would bring an "orderly and responsible close" to American participation in what he called an Iraqi "civil war."

And her objections to continued American participation in the civil war involving the country formerly known as Yugoslavia were made when? And what legislation did she push to end our involvement? [NB that the then President (D) said they'd be home before the leaves fall in a year, which was up about a decade ago.]
Posted by: Procopius2k   2007-03-08 16:11  

#5  Drudge - Bush sez he would veto it
Posted by: Frank G   2007-03-08 16:03  

#4  Alt Headline==>"Democrats Set Date for Start of Islamic Takeover of IraqUSA"
There. Fixed it for you.
Posted by: Rambler   2007-03-08 15:06  

#3  Alt Headline==>"Democrats Set Date for Start of Islamic Takeover of Iraq"
Posted by: eLarson   2007-03-08 14:59  

#2  If I was Bush I would call her and the pansie a*s dums out. I would get on National TV and demand a National Vote ASAP with two options
1) We do WHATEVER it takes to win the WOT HOWEVER LONG it may take VICTORY only.

2) We cut our loses accept we don't have the stomach for WAR anymore as a nation and request from the Islamist the terms they require to halt thier attacks on US.

I would demand that vote and also I would publicly announce my resignation if option two is actually victorious. And if option one is chosen I would demand the end to all talk that doesn't help option ones goal victory.

Let the poeple SPEAK! If we as a people have become so weak and pitifull that we vote willing for defeat so be it the US is just not deserviing of Life as a nation anymore.

Don't anyone try to say the midterms was that vote either, that is utter BS, the Repubs lost becuase they allowed thier ranks to be infiltrated by perverts and thieves, along with widespread buisness as usual graft earmarks a protest vote is not a vote for mass suicide surrender.
Posted by: C-Low   2007-03-08 14:56  

#1  let's see how that vote goes in the house, then Senate, Nancy
Posted by: Frank G   2007-03-08 13:57  

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