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| Islam Can't Be Reformed, Says Founder of Ex-Muslim Group |
| 2007-03-04 |
| Mina Ahadi, founder of the Central Council of Ex-Muslims, spoke with DW-WORLD.DE about her organization's goals, Germany's approach to the Muslim community and the unreformability of Islam. You founded the so-called Central Council of Ex-Muslims with 30 other people. How did this idea begin, and what are your goals? Currently there are 150 of us. Just 20 days ago, there were only 30 of us. For about a year, we've been meeting with various human rights organizations, like the International League of Non-Religious and Atheists. We've always tried to maintain a unified voice when topics like honor killings, headscarves or religion classes come up in Germany. We've tried to present our position, but there've been very few opportunities to do so. The media hasn't taken us seriously. There's a stereotype that all people from Iran, Turkey and so on are all the same and are all Muslims. So we decided to find a way that is provocative and gets people's attention, because we don't agree with the policies of the German government or with those of the Muslim organizations. So you have political goals? We're waving a flag that says, "Stop! Not in our name." We don't believe that the Muslim organizations represent the people from Iran, Turkey, Iraq and so on. They themselves are the problem. They represent political Islam in Germany. Secondly, we don't think that the German government should start anything with the Muslim organizations. If you look closely, you'll see that these organizations represent a policy of separation between natives and foreigners, Muslims and non-Muslims. They say that Muslims and Islam are unique. They represent shari'a law, a law that is hostile to women, children's headscarves, religions classes, and honor killings in Germany. They cannot talk about integration. Integration means that people are people and should have an opportunity to stay and live here -- regardless of where they come from, which religion they belong to and what color skin they have. These people's main identity is a religious identity, and that's an entirely different direction than integration. Is it necessary to turn away from Islam in order to support the struggle of your organization? On the one hand, there is political Islam, which is why we have the political demand that the Muslim orgnizations not get involved in politics or everyday life. Secondly, there is the religion itself. We believe that many people in European countries have managed to be critical and put religion back into the private sphere and not make it a political issue. I don't think that Germany is a purely secular state. Church and state are quite separate here, although I'm very critical of religion in Germany. Our organization seeks to educate people that they don't need religion to be happy in this world, but that religion can theoretically be a restriction. We have turned away from religion and from Islam because Islam is very problematic and is a movement that meddles in our lives and in politics. That's why we've decided to take this path and be provocative, and we've been successful. |
| Posted by:Fred |
| #8 moderate muslims aren't really silent they cry out to the infidel that their coreligionists don't understand Islam. Of course they don't dare speak out to these coreligionists because, guess what, jihadists kill people who criticize them |
| Posted by: mhw 2007-03-04 22:59 |
| #7 Zenster: If Muslims told the truth, they would admit massive support for al-Qaeda. Bin Laden is a clone of the phony "prophet" Mohammad and Muslims hide their belief in the authenticity of the al-Qaeda ideology. |
| Posted by: Sneaze 2007-03-04 22:48 |
| #6 Because taqqiya so rightly condemns Islam to a complete lack of credibility, mere reformation will not be enough to salvage it. For the last few years I have maintained that only Radical Reformation can save Islam. If they wish to harbor even the least hope of survival, moderate Muslims must rise up and begin stacking dead jihadis behind their mosques like so much cordwood. Anything less is highly unlikely to satisfy the West's suspicions. Islam's perfidy has so permeated its reputation that moderation no longer carries sufficient weight to convince an intelligent person of any genuine sincerity whatsoever. A Spanish journalist once said: After a while, silence is no longer consent. To remain silent is to lie. The deafening silence of moderate Muslims has forced upon themselves the obligation of pursuing Radical Reformation. That elements within Islam actually exhort or threaten moderates to remain silent only seals their fate. Silence merely allows the jihadis to play for time as they continue steering Islam towards its final destruction. The silence of moderate Muslims has become the lie of taqqiya and its only destination is the silence of the grave. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2007-03-04 18:22 |
| #5 All of the religious scholars who work out of the politically correct box, believe that the al-Qaeda ideology is identical to that of that proclaimed by the founder of the Muslim murder cult. |
| Posted by: Sneaze 2007-03-04 14:02 |
| #4 If the German government is smart, the ones they train up will be telling their Muzzy congregations that it really IS okay to convert to something else and that they'd be wise to do so before they get deported back to country of ethnic origin. |
| Posted by: mac 2007-03-04 13:13 |
| #3 I don't think that Germany is a purely secular state. Church and state are quite separate here, although I'm very critical of religion in Germany. Religion is a branch of the German government, and has been since the 30 Years War (? is that the one I mean?) when by treaty each principality became exclusively the religion of the reigning prince. Catholic priests, Lutheran ministers, and Jewish rabbis are on the government payroll, and Church buildings and synagogues are maintained at government expense.. and the government informs them what may and may not be said. Registered members of those religions pay an extra tax for this, assessed on the income tax form. This is why the German government is so keen to train up its own mullahs, rather than allow outsiders from the Old Country to handle it. Presumably the situation is the same in France. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2007-03-04 05:28 |
| #2 1. Water is wet. 2. Death is certain. 3. Aids in incurable. 4. The sun is hot. 5. There is no known cure for the common cold. 6. Islam cannot be reformed. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2007-03-04 05:11 |
| #1 Mina will find, like Hirsi Ali has found, that the feminist left has a particular hatred of woman who ask tough questions about Islam and who expose the conditions of the muslimah. |
| Posted by: mhw 2007-03-04 00:26 |