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Iraq
U.S. Pilots Alter Tactics
2007-02-05
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. command has ordered changes in flight operations after four helicopters were shot down in the last two weeks, the chief military spokesman said, acknowledging for the first time that the aircraft were lost to hostile fire.

The crashes, which began Jan. 20, follow insurgent claims that they have received new stocks of anti-aircraft weapons - and a recent boast by Sunni militants that "God has granted new ways" to threaten U.S. aircraft. Al-Jazeera aired video late Sunday showing one of the U.S. helicopters being hit in central Iraq and said it came from an insurgent Web site.

All four helicopters were shot down during a recent increase in violence, which an Interior Ministry official said has claimed nearly 1,000 lives in the past week alone. At least 103 people were killed or found dead Sunday, most of them in Baghdad, police reported.

Maj. Gen. William Caldwell told reporters that the investigations into the crashes of three Army and one private helicopters were incomplete but "it does appear they were all the result of some kind of anti-Iraqi ground fire that did bring those helicopters down." It was the first time a senior figure in the U.S. Iraq command had said publicly that all four helicopters were shot down.

Despite the losses, Caldwell said it was premature to conclude that the threat to U.S. aircraft posed by Sunni insurgents and Shiite militiamen had increased dramatically. "There's been an ongoing effort since we've been here to target our helicopters," Caldwell said. "Based on what we have seen, we're already making adjustments in our tactics and techniques and procedures as to how we employ our helicopters."
Posted by:anonymous5089

#11  Rumor has it USN Ret, he finished a run and forgot to close the bomb doors. Not sure if it is true but the signature is enough to get shot down with them open.

Sorry for the late reply.
Posted by: 49 Pan   2007-02-05 20:40  

#10  That checks... thanks.
Posted by: USN, Ret.   2007-02-05 17:24  

#9  Landing gear doors don't cycle during weapons release, I think what Pan meant was that the Nighthawk pilot was ingressing towards a target point and left the weapons bay doors open prior to overflight of target, hence leaving a big sig spot on a radar, course it also helped that the the missile was optically as well as radar tracked to target.
Posted by: Valentine   2007-02-05 15:18  

#8  Pan: can't speak to that, but leaving weapon bay doors open would be a foolish mistake. If they were landing gear doors, they are part of the retrction sequence.
Any-117 gurus out there? Do the doors cycle as part of weapons release sequence?
Posted by: USN, Ret.   2007-02-05 14:20  

#7  I read he also failed to retract doors leaving a sig.
Posted by: 49 Pan   2007-02-05 14:17  

#6  Repetitive and predictable use of airspace was determined to be the cause for the -117 shootdown in Serbia. The bad guys simply waited outside the airfield and called the aircraft outbound, then their comrades just waited. Probably something similiar going on here.
Why must we relearn everything in blood?
Posted by: USN, Ret.   2007-02-05 14:12  

#5  It's an issue of airspace management from the tactical perspective. Crews should relook their route discipline and management, and I'm sure they are. The old Ranger adage of never taking the same route twice and never go back the way you came is the rule to be applied here. Deconflicting airspace is tougher when you are using different routes every day but it will keep the ZSU moving and in the open trying to hunt helicopters. They need to go back and read the Mogadishu AARÂ’s and learn about being templated by the enemy.
Posted by: 49 Pan   2007-02-05 13:07  

#4  ...Actually, this isn't good from another standpoint: the Apache and Blackhawk were designed to late Cold War standards - they were intended to be as survivable as technology and countermeasures could make them on a Central European battlefield where AAA on a nearly unimaginable level would be coming up at them. If we're losing choppers like this to SA-7s, we have a serious problem.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski   2007-02-05 10:48  

#3  Another way is to demolish as much of Iran as possible.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2007-02-05 09:20  

#2  Nothing a carpet Napalm wouldn't fix.
Posted by: DarthVader   2007-02-05 09:11  

#1  Flying low and fast and zig-zagging is one way to address the problem. Another is to fly high and slow in something larger doing a "carpet bombing" maneuver.
Posted by: Excalibur   2007-02-05 08:57  

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