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Iraq
Apache Down North of Baghdad, Two Crewmen Killed
2007-02-03
Bad guys seem to be getting too good at this - where'd they get the newfound skill, Iran?

A US Apache helicopter shot down, killing two soldiers on board, near Taji air base north of Baghdad Friday. After the fourth helicopter crash in two weeks, AmericaÂ’s top general Peter Pace acknowledged that US aircraft were increasingly in danger from ground fire. The Apache was one of two flying together when gunmen opened fire sending it crashing to the ground. It was the first admission by a US military official that the recent crashes were caused by ground fire.
Posted by:Glenmore

#7  Does anybody really think we will change the ROE's to eliminate cross border infiltration from Syria and Iran?

I don't think so either...regardless of the blurb that came out this week. The ROE's value the life of a terrorist more than the life of a US soldier/marine.
Posted by: anymouse   2007-02-03 14:19  

#6  Verlaine, thank you. Also, I have a question for you. When your were in Iraq, did they have the "I heart Sadr City" bumper stickers? I just got a picture of the Suburban my brother rides around in, and my side split when I saw it.
Posted by: Mike N.   2007-02-03 13:20  

#5  Civilian here too, but .... I believe "TTP" stands for "tactics, techniques, practices" and "MANPADS" is for "man-portable air-defense system".
Posted by: Verlaine   2007-02-03 11:49  

#4  Besoeker, forgive me my ignorance, but may I ask what MANPADS and TTP are?

You guessed it, I'm one of them there civilians.
Posted by: Mike N.   2007-02-03 10:20  

#3  It also worked in Afghanistan against the Soviets when the Stinger was introduced to the theatre.
Posted by: TomAnon   2007-02-03 08:58  

#2  They are using a PKS/PKMS or other variants firing the powerful 7.62x54 rimmed round. These are not lucky hits. The bastards are being advised and are developing sophisticated TTP's. With the introduction and increased utilization of MANPADS and the continued use of SAFIRE (small arms fire), It appears we are now facing an escalating, theater wide anti-aircraft program. My fear is we may see a C-130 or other heavy hauler going down soon. An active anti-aircraft threat, increased use of IED's, and occassional sniper fire is keeping the pressure on the US Coalition and public opinion back home. It worked in SE Asia, Beruit, and Somalia. Why scew with success. Until we bomb the hell out of them and they submit, there will be no peace.
Posted by: Besoeker   2007-02-03 00:52  

#1  gunmen opened fire


With what? I sure as hell hope they aren't bringing these down with AK's.
Posted by: Mike N.   2007-02-03 00:06  

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