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Army fired laser-guided missiles in Waziristan |
2007-01-20 |
Pakistan used laser-guided precision missiles in TuesdayÂ’s pre-dawn airstrike on three houses in which eight people were killed, as bereaved families rejected the governmentÂ’s claim that the presence of foreign militants had led to the attack. The residents of Kot Kalay in northeast South Waziristan showed a group of journalists on Friday an unexploded 500-pound missile that had pierced through a rooftop and went four feet into the ground. The provenance of the missiles wasnÂ’t clear. Military spokesman Maj Gen Shaukat Sultan told Daily Times over the telephone from Islamabad that laser-guided precision missiles had been used in the attack. “We fired the missiles from fighter aircraft. This is not the first time we have used this weapon,” he said. However, it is the first time the military has acknowledged using laser-guided precision weapons against militants in Waziristan. Sultan said that three out of five missiles had failed to explode because of “possible technical malfunction”. He said the military would make efforts at some stage to recover the unexploded missiles. Another case of Inshallah Maintenance™? “Five missiles were fired from the north and then four helicopters appeared from the same direction and opened fire on the people,” Muhammad Sharif, a medical technician, told reporters. Sharif, who said he had witnessed the entire incident, said the helicopters kept firing on people who were running towards the forest for cover. The three houses – one completely destroyed and the other two partially damaged – are situated at a considerable distance from Kot Kalay, near the forest. Residents said that woodcutters used the houses. Pro-Taliban militants led by Baitullah Mehsud had organised the journalistsÂ’ visit to the area. |
Posted by:Fred |
#24 Northeast South Waziristan. I'm glad I'll never know exactly where that is. |
Posted by: Unique Battle 2007-01-20 23:45 |
#23 Facing the camera is the bomb body's tail section where the fin kit screws on. |
Posted by: ed 2007-01-20 18:59 |
#22 Difficult to tell where it's fuzed. Time to examine that rascal. Fetch the ToolKit Manolo! |
Posted by: Shipman 2007-01-20 18:42 |
#21 USN- Sir, definitely not a nose fuze. It looks more like the remains of the laser guidance unit after it hit. Mike |
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski 2007-01-20 18:38 |
#20 I'm betting AcmeNoKo. |
Posted by: doc 2007-01-20 17:43 |
#19 Are y'all sure about that tailo fuse thingy? That end closest to those of us a safe distance away looks to my like a nose fuse prpeller thingy. I am not an Ordy, but have seen enough to know that when the bomb is released the arming wire stays with the airplane and then the little prop starts spinning, and when it reaches the right number of revolutions its live. Regarding the NATO / USSR comments: compatibilty was not limited to just ordanance: a lot of aircraft ground support equipment and a/c fuel pressure nozzles / receptacles were also designed by the Russians to utilize captured NATO . US stuff, but not the other way around. |
Posted by: USN, ret. 2007-01-20 16:05 |
#18 As the story goes, the Soviets anticipated using captured NATO ammo after surging through Fulda, which is why so many of their systems are compatible. |
Posted by: Chuck Simmins 2007-01-20 15:46 |
#17 Pakistan is not listed as current user of the GBU-12 or any of the other US LBGs that I could find, but their F-16s have the French ATLIS Laser designator that is compatible with US LBGs. Can't really tell from that angle the size but it has the shape of the Mk-82 500 pounder (or clone) but not the 1000 and 2000 lb US Mk-83&84 nor the Chinese LT-2. Could be the Pakistanis received some early deliveries of GBU-12 units from the latest US arms package or illegally by other means and mated it with an old Mk-82 bomb body. In Oct 2006, Pakistan's buy of new F-16s was finalized. Included in that was: 500 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Guidance Kits: GBU-31/38 Guided Bomb Unit (GBU) kits 1,600 Enhanced-GBU-12/24 GBUs 800 MK-82 500 pound General Purpose (GP) and MK-84 2,000 pound GP bombs 700 BLU-109 2,000 pound bunker-buster bombs with the FMU-143 Fuse |
Posted by: ed 2007-01-20 15:32 |
#16 Grunter - it's true. What's not well-known is that NATO didn't want to use Russian equipment because so much of it killed its operators. Rather something in limited supply that worked CONSISTENTLY than something available in plenty but that worked, but not well. |
Posted by: Old Patriot 2007-01-20 15:23 |
#15 That has got to be horrible for the life of the barrel. |
Posted by: Mike N. 2007-01-20 14:07 |
#14 Further to Mike's point, I recall a discussion long ago about Russian artillery. The Russians waited until US/NATO finalised their caliber then set there own caliber at 1 millimeter larger. So a Russian gun could fire captured Western shells, although with a loose fit, but not the other way around. A major selling point for third party arms sales. I always wondered if this was true. |
Posted by: Grunter 2007-01-20 13:27 |
#13 Fred- Thanks for the pic! Looks very much indeed like a Mk82 500lb GP bomb, an old and beloved companion of my misspent youth, but the Chinese have long produced -82 and Mk84 clones. From the looks of it, the weapon is tail fuzed, which is often the case with PGMs. A point that 'Burgers may find interesting and that may have some bearing on this is that for many years, the And yes, the deely-boppers in the pic have NO idea what they're messing with. I'm guessing a work accident is imminent. Mike |
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski 2007-01-20 12:18 |
#12 Made in China, operated by Pak mules...it's a wonder that 2 out of 10 functioned at all, let alone hit the target. |
Posted by: SpecOp35 2007-01-20 12:14 |
#11 they'll probably have to use a cold chisel and a claw hammer to get it (the fuse) off. Quicker to use a cutting torch, Ima thinking. Inshallah! |
Posted by: SteveS 2007-01-20 10:49 |
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Posted by: Fred 2007-01-20 10:49 |
#9 :-) Darwin's law - demonstrated just so! |
Posted by: Frank G 2007-01-20 10:47 |
#8 Here's the untouched picture, grabbed from Pak Daily Times, with the "missile." Assuming it's not just a file foto of a generic incident:
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Posted by: Fred 2007-01-20 10:45 |
#7 Rantburg U rulez! Just wait 'til I drop that little tidbit into a dinner party conversation! ;-) |
Posted by: trailing wife 2007-01-20 10:43 |
#6 The residents of Kot Kalay in northeast South Waziristan showed a group of journalists on Friday an unexploded 500-pound missile that had pierced through a rooftop and went four feet into the ground. The provenance of the missiles wasnÂ’t clear. No, they didn't. Let's see if we can figure out what was really dropped there, shall we? First of all, we can pretty much rule out that the press has identified this thing properly at all. Missiles explode on impact- if the fuze doesn't work, unburned rocket fuel DOES. They are also fairly lightly built, so they don't survive an impact and then four feet of penetration into the Earth. Bombs are another matter entirely. Even the most basic 500 pounders have a thick steel case that, if the fuze doesn't explode, will allow the weapon to survive impact and bury itself fairly deep - and I believe what we're seeing here is a Pakistani laser guided bomb, probably a Chinese LT series. We've never given the Pakis LGB technology for fear they'd use it on the Indians. Mike |
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski 2007-01-20 08:27 |
#5 Bet the bombs were fine until someone with a good heart gave the explosive element to the Widows Ammo Fund. |
Posted by: Shipman 2007-01-20 05:48 |
#4 Made in China or the "Former U.S.S.R." |
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom 2007-01-20 03:27 |
#3 60% failure rate? Jeez, where did the Pakis get these missiles from, Wiley Coyote's garage sale? The US switched a major weapons contract due to one manufacturer having a 2% failure rate on cluster munitions, and the Pakis can live with 60%? |
Posted by: Shieldwolf 2007-01-20 02:29 |
#2 good thing that Medical Technician™ was there to witness the whole thing. Was his wife Morgan Fairchild there with him? |
Posted by: Frank G 2007-01-20 01:16 |
#1 Safe guess these are Chinese missiles? |
Posted by: Mike N. 2007-01-20 00:59 |