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China-Japan-Koreas
U.S. presses China on armed submarine encounter
2007-01-11
Follow-up to a November article.
The admiral in charge of the U.S. Pacific Fleet pressed Chinese military leaders to explain why an armed submarine challenged a U.S. aircraft carrier in the western Pacific by sailing within five miles of the warship, U.S. defense officials said. Pacific Fleet Commander Adm. Gary Roughead raised the issue of the submarine encounter when he met during a six-day visit in November with Chinese military leaders.

The Chinese responded by claiming the Song-class submarine that surfaced near the USS Kitty Hawk on Oct. 27 was there by accident, and that it did not shadow the warship before making its presence known, the officials said.

Defense officials familiar with reports of closed-door military meetings in Beijing, Shanghai and Zhanjiang privately doubted the Chinese explanations and said it is more likely the Song-class diesel electric submarine was practicing anti-aircraft carrier operations.

The Chinese submarine was not detected by the Kitty Hawk, which was conducting routine exercises near Okinawa, or by accompanying warships. Navy officials called it an anti-submarine warfare lapse. Most ships have sonar that constantly scans waters around the ships for threatening vessels.

Adm. Michael Mullen, the chief of naval operations, said last month that U.S. anti-submarine defenses for the Pacific Fleet were reviewed to determine how the submarine was able to sneak up on the carrier.

The Chinese told Adm. Roughead that it was a "chance encounter" and that China's military had no intention of stalking the Kitty Hawk. They also said the submarine surfaced deliberately to demonstrate that it had no hostile intent, the officials said. "The Chinese also claimed they did not want the U.S. Navy to mistake the vessel for a submarine from Taiwan or Korea," one official said. China has a large fleet of submarines that seldom operates so far from China's coast, such as the deep-ocean encounter near Okinawa.

Another explanation from the Chinese military officials was that the submarine surfaced because officials were worried that being detected so close to the carrier would lead to a confrontation.

China's military has rejected U.S. proposals to join in an agreement that would prevent such incidents at sea. A similar arrangement was used during the Cold War to avoid confrontations with Soviet naval vessels.
Posted by:Anonymoose

#8  Remember the airplane collision?
Posted by: Eric Jablow   2007-01-11 23:16  

#7  USA + China are not at war thus the sub can get as close to the carrier as its Cdr = Beijing dares to. No overt act(s) of hostility = USA can only lodge some form of internat acceptable diplomatic protest. USN should have easily detected [and warned?]the sub, so what is at issue for the USA here is why the sub did not surface = refuse to identify itself. Iff the USN wants to "play dumb", means Washington-MIC bigwigs want trade access/concessions to Chinese markets.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2007-01-11 22:27  

#6  There is always more to these stories than makes it thru the filter of media ignorance of matters military. I'd be willing to bet Kitty Hawk knew the sub was in the neighborhood. Whether they would admit is a another matter. Having your enemy think you are stupid is a great advantage.

Also wouldn't surprise me if the sub surfaced because someone dropped a hand grenade instead of dipping sonar. But that may be just wishful thinking.
Posted by: SteveS   2007-01-11 19:22  

#5  Ima think gorb got it. I expect the Shitty Kitty knew where it was, but surfacing is bad form.
Posted by: Shipman   2007-01-11 18:41  

#4  WE SHOULD HAVE SUNK IT.
Posted by: mac   2007-01-11 17:01  

#3  Sink the next one, and the US's 'proposals' will become perfectly clear to the Chicoms!!
Posted by: smn   2007-01-11 16:12  

#2  Maybe it's as simple as they are like cavemen with technology. They just need to learn the rules.
Posted by: gorb   2007-01-11 15:57  

#1  Any CAG-5 R-burgers out there that can / will comment on WTF? (CAG-5 is the airwing attached to the Kitty)
Posted by: USN, Ret.   2007-01-11 14:10  

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