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Europe
French police face 'permanent intifada'
2006-10-23
On a routine call, three unwitting police officers fell into a trap. A car darted out to block their path, and dozens of hooded youths surged out of the darkness to attack them with stones, bats and tear gas before fleeing. One officer was hospitalized.

The recent ambush was emblematic of what some officers say has become a near-perpetual and increasingly violent conflict between police and gangs in tough, largely immigrant French neighborhoods that were the scene of a three-week paroxysm of rioting last year.

One small police union claims officers are facing a "permanent intifada." Police injuries have risen in the year since the wave of violence.

National police reported 2,458 cases of violence against officers in the first six months of the year, on pace to top the 4,246 cases recorded for all of 2005 and the 3,842 in 2004. Firefighters and rescue workers have also been targeted — and some now receive police escorts in such areas.

On Sunday, a band of about 30 youths, some wearing masks, forced passengers out of a bus in a southern Paris suburb in broad daylight Sunday, set it on fire, then stoned firefighters who came to the rescue, police said. No one was injured. Two people were arrested, one of them a 13-year-old, according to LCI television.

More broadly, worsening violence in France testifies to Europe's growing struggle to integrate its ethnic minorities. Some mainstream European politicians — adopting positions previously confined largely to far-right fringes — are suggesting that the minorities themselves are not doing enough to adapt to European mores.

Ethnic integration and violence against police are both becoming issues in the campaign for the French presidency. Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, the leading contender on the right, said this month that those who do not love France do not have to stay, echoing a longtime slogan of the extreme-right National Front: "France, love it or leave it."

Michel Thooris, head of the small Action Police union, claims that the new violence is taking on an Islamic fundamentalist tinge.

“ Many youths, many arsonists, many vandals behind the violence do it to cries of 'Allah Akbar'”
"Many youths, many arsonists, many vandals behind the violence do it to cries of 'Allah Akbar' (God is Great) when our police cars are stoned," he said in an interview.

Larger, more mainstream police unions sharply disagree that the suburban unrest has any religious basis. However, they do say that some youth gangs no longer seem content to throw stones or torch cars and instead appear determined to hurt police officers — or worse.

“These are acts of war”
"First, it was a rock here or there. Then it was rocks by the dozen. Now, they're leading operations of an almost military sort to trap us," said Loic Lecouplier, a police union official in the Seine-Saint-Denis region north of Paris. "These are acts of war."

Sadio Sylla, an unemployed mother of three, watched the Oct. 13 ambush of the police patrol in Epinay-sur-Seine from her second-floor window. She, other witnesses and police union officials said up to 50 masked youths dashed out from behind trees.

One of the three officers needed 30 stitches to his face after being struck by a rock. On Saturday, five people were placed under investigation for attempted murder in relation to the ambush.

The attack was one of at least four gang beatings of police in Parisian suburbs since Sept. 19. Early Friday, a dozen hooded people hurled stones, iron bars and bottles filled with gasoline at two police vehicles in Aulnay-sous-Bois, a flashpoint of last year's riots, said Guillaume Godet, a city hall spokesman. One officer required three stitches to his head.

Minority youths have long complained that police are more heavy-handed in their dealings with them than with whites, demanding their papers and frisking them for no apparent reason. Such perceived ill-treatment fuels feelings of injustice, as do the difficulties that many youths from immigrant families have finding work.

Distrust and tension thrive. Rumors have flown around some housing projects that police are hoping to use the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which ends this week, to round up known troublemakers, on the basis that fasting all day will have made the youths weaker and easier to catch.

Police say that suggestion is ludicrous. However, they are on guard ahead of the first anniversary this week of last year's riots. That violence began after two youths who thought police were chasing them hid in a power substation and were electrocuted to death.

Police unions suspect that the recent attacks may be an attempt to spark new riots.

"We are getting the impression these youths want a 'remake' of what happened last year," said Fred Lagache, national secretary of the Alliance police union. "The youths are trying to cause a police error to justify chaos."
Posted by:lotp

#36  hording weapons for protection when this sort of crap happens here and no one will stop the thugs.

I have a thing for auto Glocks. They are so nice.
Posted by: Floluter Phemp9244   2006-10-23 22:44  

#35  How times change

During the last days of WW2, Islamic elements in Algiers were agitating for independence (as they would do successfully with Soviet and Euro-communist support some years later).

In 1945, though, things reached a climax on VE-day, May 7th. Muslims, enraged at the Nazi defeat and offended by admittedly raucous French celebrants, poured into the streets; looting shops, burning the few cars that were around in those days, and beheading the odd Frenchman or Europeanized Arab they could catch.
The flics brought out their Bren guns and restored order, at a cost of 450 "protestors" dead. Obsolete M-3 Stuart tanks were also reported in action, their 37mm canister rounds being ideal for this work.
This incident is mentioned in the ultra-PC Golden Book Encyclopedia, complete with a "typo of convenience" that inflates the Islamic death toll to 45,000.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2006-10-23 18:33  

#34  "Islamic fundamentalist tinge"
"Many youths, many arsonists, many vandals behind the violence do it to cries of 'Allah Akbar'..."

So they say they're upset about not getting jobs? Yeah, these are the sort of folks I want working for me, NOT.
Get the damn riot police out there to get these idiots.
I'm leaning towards being like Sarah Connor in the Terminator, hording weapons for protection when this sort of crap happens here and no one will stop the thugs.
This PC attitude or multiculturalism is very stupid, and it's killing me how this mind set has taken over, very scary.
Posted by: Jan   2006-10-23 17:30  

#33  Read further down, Jack. If you're putting any faith in Sarko, you're dreaming. What a scumbag!

Regarding sarko, I just want to say this is my feeling about him, but he might be a positive surprize. He's playing the outsider (like his socialist rival) even though he's been a professional pol for about 30 years or so, and his discourse sure is a grand departure from the usual french PCness.
So, he could be an improvement on some regards (if he wants to save the System, he must reform it somehow), or at least the least worse choice.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2006-10-23 17:10  

#32  Read further down, Jack. If you're putting any faith in Sarko, you're dreaming. What a scumbag!
Posted by: mac   2006-10-23 16:26  

#31  This is Paris-centric and more a problem of juvinile deliquency than rampant islamicintifadaradicalism!! I have relatives in France and lived there for a time. I go there often. Yes, they are in a bit of cultural and political squeeze due to over-accommodation of multi-culturalism mostly as a result of a serious socialist induced guilt complex and their own system of "apartheid". By that I mean how they have completely segregated Paris the same way the Boers did Jo'burg in SA. Paris itself is white effete wine sipping Galoise smoking intellectuals. While outside turmoil boils. This the RER equivalent of the bridge and tunnel crowd in NYC. But it is not new and until someone like Sarkozy gets elected it won't get better.
Posted by: Jack is Back!   2006-10-23 16:10  

#30  Let us hope that if this proves necessary it will also serve as the "Final Repudiation" of their idiotic fascination with multiculturalism.

I'll say an Amen to that. Maybe the US can learn something here too. We have our own 'idiotic fascination' with multiculturalism, and it's proving to be an unmitigated disaster. I see America going down the same toilet as France in the next few decades unless we wake the hell up.

Back to the melting pot. I've had my fill of the salad bowl.
Posted by: mcsegeek1   2006-10-23 13:26  

#29  How can France finally begin to crack down on these violent Muslim yoots and still maintain their façade of Franco-Arab fraternity? The entire Eurabian contract pivots upon preferential treatment of Muslims as a hedge against creeping Americanization both in France and the MME (Muslim Middle East).

I think this is a collision of two monumental egos, French and Muslim. What the snickering elitist French simply did not take into account was the hyper-violence of their Muslim coconspirators. If France was not a possessor of nuclear weapons and some of the world's finest artworks, I'd just as soon see them flushed down their richly deserved Islamic toilet. Sadly, some other fix is required. I forsee Europe stalling on this long enough to where another "Final Solution" will become necessary. Let us hope that if this proves necessary it will also serve as the "Final Repudiation" of their idiotic fascination with multiculturalism.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-10-23 13:00  

#28  No doubt, society is fragile. If a county sized area has 200 police, they may also have 2000 trouble makers, which become 20,000 as the police become overwhelmed. And then, chaos. No police, no courts, no law and order. It's happening in Phrance on a larger scale. There is no attempt to end it now. What are they waiting for ? The Phrench need the situation to spin out of control so they can justify the use of force ? Pussies !
Posted by: wxjames   2006-10-23 12:16  

#27  The French have descended into anarchy. The Socialists deliberately disarmed the general populace. Now, they refuse to defend them from thugs. I hope Americans observe this. Never allow yourselves to be disarmed by the Leftists. Even the Aussies are suffering from being defrauded of their right of self protection. The elites of French society think they are insulated from damage. What fools. As the anarchy grows, their lovely estates will be overrun just like the residential areas abutting the slum worlds the elites created on the periphery of cities. No one is safe with total disorder. The same is going on in the hell hole of Iraq.
Posted by: SpecOp35   2006-10-23 11:49  

#26  For those who can read french (there's an autotranslation tool on top of the page, results "funny"), here's an excellent interview of a private security responsible about the state of private security in France.
France-Echos Interview exclusive jihad sur les métiers de la sécurité

Basically, this sector is heavily (80%) manned by Youths, for PC reasons (whitey stopping a Youth is a racist), for "style" (large cities bouncers are black sub-saharan africans, cheap and very impressive physically), and because ethnic french are too devirilized in general... and this lead to very serious abuse (anti-white racism empowered by the badge, or inside complicity for organized stealing in malls, robberies,...).

Fear not, the army is already well on its way to being islamized, a feature, not a bug, a top brass has just recently said he wished to promote CO from the 'hoods, and police is planned.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2006-10-23 11:41  

#25  That is exactly what they want and what we should prevent. The muzzie parts will metastsize as they invade the French parts.

Yes, this is the general idea of the planned conquest of France/Belgium first, then Europe, that was exposed to a french writer by an algerian islamist, back in the late 90's.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2006-10-23 11:35  

#24  #14 james: "Why not hire an American right winger to fix the situation?"

Send 'em Pat Buchanan - God knows we don't want him.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2006-10-23 11:18  

#23  Failing that we should partition Phrance into Muslim/Phrench regions.

That is exactly what they want and what we should prevent. The muzzie parts will metastsize as they invade the French parts. The only rational choices for France are expulsion or assimilation. If they are native French, send them to Devil's Island. The French know how to run places like that.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-10-23 10:53  

#22  Canned goods? choke...cough...sputter.

Pehaps John Heinz Kerry could enlighten us.
Posted by: johnnycanuck   2006-10-23 10:49  

#21  At first I thought: “That would never happen in America.” But some places in Oakland, L.A., and New York are just as bad but the youths donÂ’t attack the police with any regularity. That being said if a mayor allowed the daily burning of cars, business, and homes without calling for the National Guard then he would be tossed from office (Except in New Orleans). I agree that this calls for tough love, wielding batons, and if necessary deadly force. The may be Arab but they are also Phrench, so after a good beating they will surrender. Failing that we should partition Phrance into Muslim/Phrench regions.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2006-10-23 10:48  

#20  If the Phrench pull out, they can live in tent cities along the Rivera. The chunnel will have to be blown up to save Blairistan from the Phrench refugees.
Posted by: wxjames   2006-10-23 10:48  

#19  #6 IS BRILLIANT!
Posted by: Claimble Angomotle5042   2006-10-23 10:11  

#18  Why is my sympathy meter still broken? I called the repairman and he said he be here to fix it and he hasn't shown up and I don't know what I'm gonna do cuz it ain't workin and I'd really like to have some sympathy for the poor french who sold out their country to muzzies and I really wanna feel but the dang things busted and the needle's stuck on zero....and.....and....and.....
Posted by: mcsegeek1   2006-10-23 10:04  

#17  Police being police, this will result in them organizing death squads against the more vicious troublemakers. Cops know how to send a message when they are pushed.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2006-10-23 09:08  

#16  Franco-American control of the media and canned goods industries are well known.

Oh dear.

As for Napoleon, whatever he may have said to seduce the Egyptians to support him over the British, he didn't tolerate insurrection at home. His methods were much more along the lines of "First give the mob a whiff of grapeshot, then fix bayonets and charge"
Posted by: trailing wife   2006-10-23 08:27  

#15  Maybe the french people need to have another French revolution and oil up the ole gillotines.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2006-10-23 08:18  

#14  Twas the Phrench who laid down with the devil decades ago, their fault. Now, what to do about it ? Why not hire an American right winger to fix the situation ?
Posted by: wxjames   2006-10-23 07:58  

#13  Bush's fault.

Bush will be gone in a few years, we need something more generic and more accurate than Great Satan.
After finally getting around to reading "The French Path to Jihad" link, that anonymous 5089 posted a couple of days ago, may I suggest the term Universal Scapegoat's fault? Even the acronym fits.
Posted by: Gladys   2006-10-23 07:25  

#12  the Frenchified entity must return to its pre-732 borders and abandon all lands conquered as the result of French aggression at the Battle of Tours.

That is what they want, isn't it?
Posted by: lotp   2006-10-23 07:07  

#11  SW - Martel, definately. Caliph Bonaparte? Not so sure...
Posted by: Admiral Allan Ackbar   2006-10-23 05:25  

#10  Bush's fault.
Posted by: Admiral Allan Ackbar   2006-10-23 05:20  

#9  If france can't figure out how to deal with this (obvious to any dolt) then I can't feel sorry for them. If you have 50 punks rioting, send in 100 riot officers and start cracking heads. The "riot" will be over before it even gets started. Don't just stand around arguing whether or not it has a religious element and blaming yourselves for not being generous enough with your welfare.
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2006-10-23 05:14  

#8  That high-pitched whining sound you hear in France today, is the sound of both Charles Martel and Napoleon spinning like tops in their graves.
Posted by: Shieldwolf   2006-10-23 05:04  

#7  I would add that the Frenchified entity must return to its pre-732 borders and abandon all lands conquered as the result of French aggression at the Battle of Tours. The occupation of Muslim land ruthlessly and illegally removed civilians from their ancestral homes and they and their descendants must be given the right to return to their homeland. There can be no peace while the on going oppression continues.
Posted by: Baba Tutu   2006-10-23 03:22  

#6  I suggest a two state solution. We should support a peace process leading to the creation of an independant state on occupied Muslim land with Paris as its capitol. We should also call for an end to French settlement in the area and investigate and condemn human rights abuses committed by the Frenchified entity. The end of French occupation will remove a major irritant which is an obstacle to peace and an inspiration for anti-Western radicalism worldwide.

We must reexamine US policy in the region; our reflexive, unqualified support for France should be reconsidered. The French lobby has pulled the strings of US policy for far too long and has put their own narrow interests ahead of the national good, engendering anti-US sentiment everywhere. Franco-American control of the media and canned goods industries are well known. We lose our moral authority by supporting such oppression and brutality.
Posted by: Baba Tutu   2006-10-23 03:13  

#5  OTOH, M & C.com > Russian ALEXANDER DUGIN = WESTERN SECULARISM and forms therefrom are DYING. The Western world is slowly but steadily re-discovering its relious roots.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2006-10-23 02:42  

#4  Maybe they're angry becuz all France has to work 35-hours or more a week so that Socialist Paris-France can have tax revenues to pay its Euro-bills???
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2006-10-23 02:38  

#3  If the French have OHSA type legislation, then work refusal would be permitted in respect of personal safety. However, if civil authorities were impotent in securing public peace, then use of military force is lawful. Last year, the French took over 12,000 torched cars on the chin, and made very few arrests. In fact, Socialists joined the Islamofascist chorus, and blamed the rioting on majority racism. Even the slavishly deferential Frogs have to have limits of tolerance. If they allow a repetition of last year's fiasco, then we should treat France as a failed state and take it over. And we won't back off when Muslipunks torch cars.

Does this sound great?: the State of Provence, USA.
Posted by: Snease Shaiting3550   2006-10-23 02:33  

#2  Sorry, one attack per every two hours, but the lack of effectiveness is essentially the same.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-10-23 01:28  

#1  National police reported 2,458 cases of violence against officers in the first six months of the year

This represents over TWO ATTACKS PER HOUR for every day of that entire six months. They need authorization, determination and sufficient amounts of testerone to cure this problem for once and all.

This is only a "permanent intifada" because the police lack courage to impose some "permanent" solutions.

Posted by: Zenster   2006-10-23 01:26  

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