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Outrage as Australian Leaders Tell Muslims to Fit In
2006-09-13
Australian Muslim representatives are voicing outrage at comments by the country's two top politicians, who urged immigrants from Islamic societies to fit in, learn English, treat women with respect, and shun extremism.
'voicing outrage' is sort of a habit with ya'll, aint it?
An Islamic leader warned that the remarks could antagonize Muslims and lead to a repeat of incidents such as the rioting in a Sydney beachside suburb last December, when groups of youngsters -- described as having a Middle Eastern background -- fought with whites.

Prime Minister John Howard late last week said migrants should integrate into the way of life in their new country but that a minority of Muslims was opposed to accepting Australia's values.

"Fully integrating means accepting Australian values -- it means learning as rapidly as you can the English language if you don't already speak it," he said in a radio interview.

"People who come from societies where women are treated in an inferior fashion have got to learn very quickly that that is not the case in Australia."

Howard's remarks drew a swift and critical response from Muslim leaders.

Ameer Ali, chairman of an advisory group set up by the government to combat extremism in the 300,000-strong Muslim community, told a radio station the remarks could stoke violence.

"We have already witnessed one incident in Sydney recently in Cronulla," he said in reference to last December's riots. "I don't want these scenes to be repeated because when you antagonize the younger generation ... they are bound to react."

Other Muslim community representatives said the line adopted by Howard was encouraging racial tension.

But Howard stood by his position, denied he was singling out Muslims, and refused to apologize.

"No matter what the culture of the country from which they came might have been, Australia requires women to be treated fairly and decently and in the same fashion as men," he told reporters later.

"If any migrants coming to this country have a different view, they'd better get rid of that view pretty quickly."

Howard said while "99 percent" of Muslims in Australia had integrated, it was "self-evident" that a small section was unwilling to do so. "It's up to all of us to try and overcome that resistance."

He said the critical Muslim spokesmen were "missing the point."

Howard also addressed the issue in an op-ed piece published Saturday, in which he said those who reject integration viewed calls to integrate "as some kind of discrimination."

"It is not. It is commonsense and, importantly, it is also a powerful symbol of a new migrant's willingness and enthusiasm about becoming an Australian."

Howard's number two and possible successor, federal Treasurer Peter Costello, endorsed the prime minister's comments, and added some of his own.

Costello said in a television interview Sunday that Australia's successful integration of migrants was attributable to "the attitude that when you come to Australia, whatever arguments you might have had in the old country, we start again and we start again with a common set of values and a common language."

He also said Islamic leaders should be more public and unequivocal in denouncing terrorism being perpetrated "under the cover of religion."

They should also make it clear to prospective converts to Islam "that when you join this religion you do not join a radical political ideology," Costello added.

His comments brought additional condemnation from Muslim representatives, who said they would only further alientate the community.

Writing in Sydney's Sunday Telegraph, conservative columnist Piers Akerman denounced what he called "shrill cries of outrage from self-described leaders in Australia's Islamic community."

In Australia, he wrote, as was the case in the U.S. and Britain, "Muslim organizations have deliberately installed themselves as permanent aliens and adapted a culture of constant carping about the majority, from whom they maintain their isolation with such bitter determination."
Posted by:mcsegeek1

#23  operative phrase might be: "remember Gallipoli!"
Posted by: Frank G   2006-09-13 21:47  

#22  Think the short version is "Fit in or f**k off." If the Muslims want to try violence, I think they will find that the Aussies will return it on an apocalyptic scale.
Posted by: RWV   2006-09-13 21:41  

#21  ""No matter what the culture of the country from which they came might have been, Australia requires women to be treated fairly and decently and in the same fashion as men."

Good looks or not, that is a mouth a woman could kiss. Aussie men are getting hotter everyday.
Posted by: Jules in the Hinterlands   2006-09-13 17:47  

#20  You are making access to the virgins too easy...

Two words: Not. Possible.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-09-13 16:47  

#19  Sod 'em. Ship 'em half way to Indonesia, and let them swim the rest of the way.

Hmmm... Swim... Didn't the poor old "Crocodile Hunter" get killed my "marine life" off the coast of Australia???

You are making access to the virgins too easy...
Posted by: BigEd   2006-09-13 16:43  

#18  "I don't want these scenes to be repeated because when you antagonize the younger generation ... they are bound to react."

Let 'em. Cave in their fuckin skulls a few times and maybe they'll get the message. The mooks seem to think violence is a one way street. Best they find out that it's not...
Posted by: tu3031   2006-09-13 15:15  

#17  Threat #1:

An Islamic leader warned that the remarks could antagonize Muslims and lead to a repeat of incidents such as the rioting

Threat #2:

Ameer Ali, chairman of an advisory group set up by the government to combat extremism in the 300,000-strong Muslim community, told a radio station the remarks could stoke violence.

Threat #3:

"We have already witnessed one incident in Sydney recently in Cronulla," he said in reference to last December's riots. "I don't want these scenes to be repeated because when you antagonize the younger generation ... they are bound to react."

The Muslim leaders are effectively justifying and giving tacit permission for those who follow them to use violence as they see fit.

Australia has the good sense to understand this sort of thuggish subtext (see post #11 if you are unclear on the subject). All that remains is the instant deportation of those who make these veiled threats, because that's what they are. Extortion, blackmail, whatever you wish to call it. This crap must end and end in a fashion intensely displeasing to those who attempt to lever against society with such thuggishness.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-09-13 15:10  

#16  "The Sopranos: Outback and Mad as Hell", eh Dan?......lol
Posted by: mcsegeek1   2006-09-13 14:11  

#15  Gotta love John Howard. That sorta clear speak is hard to come by in this country. Fit it, learn English, treat women with respect and shun extremism. Maybe we can convince him to give some clear speaking lessons our our pols.
Posted by: Intrinsicpilot   2006-09-13 13:02  

#14  LOL Planet Dan!
Posted by: ex-lib   2006-09-13 12:45  

#13  We have the same problem in uk where only one community does not want to fit into western ideals but wont leave because of the welfare system.End the welfare system and these leeches would scarper!!!!!
Posted by: Chating Elmang3305   2006-09-13 12:22  

#12  We have the same problem in uk where only one community does not want to fit into western ideals but wont leave because of the welfare system.End the welfare system and these leeches would scarper!!!!!
Posted by: Chating Elmang3305   2006-09-13 12:21  

#11  "We have already witnessed one incident in Sydney recently in Cronulla," he said in reference to last December's riots. "I don't want these scenes to be repeated because when you antagonize the younger generation ... they are bound to react."

This is not exactly what happened. Actually, he was wearing a pinstriped suit, black shirt, white tie, fedora hat. What he said, in a thick gangster accent was:
"It would be a shame....a REAL shame...if you was to antagonize dem......IF you know what I mean. Cuz if deez young guys was antagonized, dere's no tellin' how angry dey could get. And dey get pretty angry sumptimes. And dey react. bad. REAL bad. So's if youse know whats good for youse, you'll do what we tell ya's ta do. And shaddap about it. And like it. Capisce?"
Posted by: PlanetDan   2006-09-13 12:17  

#10  Islamic societies are being asked to:

"fit in,

learn English,

treat women with respect,

and

shun extremism"

AND THEY REFUSE. And they blame. And they threaten violence, while at the same time absloving themselves of any responsibility. And they bitch and whine and carry on.

"No matter what the culture of the country from which they came might have been, Australia requires women to be treated fairly and decently and in the same fashion as men," . . . "If any migrants coming to this country have a different view, they'd better get rid of that view pretty quickly."

Here, here!

Australia is unique in its sense of nationalism. Being "Australian" is a thing, in and of itself, about which certain personal and social "agreements" are inherent in the concept (and the oath of citizenship).

When Howard speaks about integration (into Australian culture/society), and says it "is commonsense and, importantly, it is also a powerful symbol of a new migrant's willingness and enthusiasm about becoming an Australian"he's inviting them to become part of what Australian culture IS, not what it isn't. Austalia is not supposed to be a "parking lot" for non-assimilating idiots.

But the stupic Islam-icks want to remain isolated and backward while they wait for orders to attack. These guys aren't EVER interested in becoming part of any other country than their supposedly eventual "world caliphate" where they can f-ck goats and donkeys and little boys to their heart's content, after they're done raping women, little girls, and mutiliating their genetalia.



Posted by: ex-lib   2006-09-13 12:08  

#9  Waiting for the other shoe to drop: Or ship out.
Posted by: ed   2006-09-13 11:55  

#8  They are doing exactly the right thing. TELL them to comply to the culture. If they refuse...they will... this is the prelude to confining them prior to forced expulsion. As to their threats of violence, just let it be known that the police may overlook attacks on Muzzie youth creating problems. I would predict that after a few dozen are found beat to death the rest will go quietly.
Posted by: SOP35/Rat   2006-09-13 11:45  

#7  Many came as refugees from the Taliban. Taliban is gone.... The only legit reason to resist assimilation is if you intend to bug-out again someday. Methinks that day has come.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2006-09-13 11:35  

#6  His comments brought additional condemnation from Muslim representatives, who said they would only further alientate the community.

"Come, be part of our nation. Be one of us!"

"CAN'T YOU SEE YOU'RE ALIENATING US!!! YOU'RE JUST STOKING THE HATRED!!!"

Sod 'em. Ship 'em half way to Indonesia, and let them swim the rest of the way.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2006-09-13 11:35  

#5  "His comments brought additional condemnation from Muslim representatives, who said they would only further alientate the community."

LOL. I think I see the problem...
Posted by: flyover   2006-09-13 11:29  

#4  Seething, hissing, glaring, spitting in 5..4..3.
Posted by: wxjames   2006-09-13 11:25  

#3  Time's past for "fit in". Now should begin the "fit out" phase.
Posted by: twobyfour   2006-09-13 11:02  

#2  Does this sound like a threat to anyone else?
Posted by: DESNC   2006-09-13 10:53  

#1  ...urged immigrants from Islamic societies to fit in...

So much for the teenage demographic. They want to be different. Just like everyone else.
Posted by: DarthVader   2006-09-13 10:37  

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