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| by Mohammed Fadil ("Iraq the Model") Republished in the Wall Street Journal EFL'd to get to one particular point. . . . You also see others who criticize the American response to the attack calling it "savage" or "brutal" which are words commonly used by the Arab media that at the same time ignores the savage brutality of the attack in the first place. Concentrating on the response and ignoring the attack that provoked it is an act of denial and running away from reality, and concentrating on the "erroneous" American policy is something I cannot accept because it comes either from dictatorships that see a threat for them in the American policy that calls for liberty and democracy, or from fascist religious powers that see in the pluralism and tolerance that America calls for a danger to their dominance on the minds of their people, or from some American politicians blinded by ambition and care only about discrediting their opponents. Like we said in a previous post, did Moscow's pro-Arab, pro-Islamist policy keep the Russian people safe from the hands of radical terrorists who use their extreme interpretation of religion as a cover for violence? NO . . . Go read it all. |
| Posted by:Mike |
| #15 Good link, SR-71. Here's his bottom line: The West is on a collision course with Iran. There will either be a preemptive war against Iran’s nuclear program, or an endless series of hot-and-cold war crises following Iran’s acquisition of a bomb. And an Iranian bomb means further nuclear proliferation to Egypt and Saudi Arabia, as a balancing move by the big Sunni states. With all those Islamic bombs floating around, what are the chances the U.S. will avoid a nuclear terrorist strike over the long-term? I refuse to be a gloomy hawk. I am an angry hawk and will remain so. We must all keep the fire in our collective bellies. Only by maintaining the rage and fury that these Islamic atrocities have ignited will we ever have the willpower to take the measures required to ensure our safety. For those of you who have been here at Rantburg for some time, you know that I strongly defended the Moderate Muslim™ back when I first arrived. Persuasive arguments, particularly by .com gradually eroded my belief in moderate Islam. The recent article, “Why We Cannot Rely on Moderate Muslims ”, by Fjordman cemented this changeover permanently. More than any single thing, though, it has been the Thundering Silence™ regarding terrorism’s inhuman aspect, issuing forth from Muslims around the world, that has put an end to my tolerance. Be certain that the constant Islamic atrocities, most especially Beslan, have also propelled me towards this polarized view. But more than anything, it is the mute acceptance of jihadist terrorism by the world's Muslim population that has driven this change in my worldview. I am grateful for the moral support of those here who have witnessed this transition in me without attempting to rub my nose in my previous held beliefs. In no way does this alter my faith in the perfectibility of man's spirit. What I have had to realize is there are cultural memes so powerfully psychotic that they can erode the very humanity of an individual. One glance at Nazism should have told me this but I dearly wanted to believe that this world had learned its lesson from Third Reich Germany. Obviously, we have not. Most ironic of all was how, when I first arrived here at Rantburg, my earliest detractors routinely accused me of having a "kill them all" mentality with respect to Muslims. I did not then and it is only with a minuscule twinge of regret at having lost some small piece of my humanity that I do take that position now. Islam must go. Our continued existence presents us with a binary choice, live without Islam or die with it. I choose life. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2006-09-12 20:33 |
| #14 Zenster, no need to kill every Muslim. Just nuke their oil fields (then deport all muzzies from Dir el Harb to Dir el Brara---see how many friends they've sans petro $$$). |
| Posted by: gromgoru 2006-09-12 20:13 |
| #13 The Hawkish Gloom is certainly in effect. #11 for all comers. |
| Posted by: J. D. Lux 2006-09-12 19:47 |
| #12 Yes, indeed, a poster can get a lot of mileage out of quoting Dave D. I've done it myself on more than one occasion. ;-) I keep the link in my favourites. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2006-09-12 19:14 |
| #11 Superb post Zenster. |
| Posted by: mcsegeek1 2006-09-12 18:39 |
| #10 11. EXTERMINATION: We could end this once and for all-- just nuke the entire Islamic world and let our descendents deal with the guilt. Posted by Zenster 2006-09-12 17:22|| Front Page|| ||Comments Top Not an insignifican number of us have learned to live with "guilt." Make it so. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2006-09-12 17:45 |
| #9 Very glad you are back, .com. Been tired for a while. Tired of the ass hats, tired of the MSM, tired of the moonbats, tired of the Democrats, tired of McCain and Lindsay Graham... I feel like this guy: Hawkish Gloom |
| Posted by: SR-71 2006-09-12 17:43 |
| #8 Preach it, .com! Enough is enough. I'm sick and fucking tired of waiting around for the next atrocity. You could give me infinite odds and I'd still never bet against more Muslim atrocities. Islam is congenitally predisposed to crimes against humanity. We need to begin purging Muslims from all non-Muslim-majority countries around the world. Per David D., we need to go for Door #10 and quarrantine the lot of them in their utopic hell-holes. Then put them on notice that Door #11 is now on a hair trigger. Personally, I have zer-fucking-oh faith that such an isolationist plan will work. Door #11* is the only one guaranteed to succeed. Per Door #9, we need to start with a policy of massive retaliation. Commit an atrocity and watch some or the other Muslim nation get glassed over. We probably should begin with Pakistan, just to cripple the one existing Islamic nuclear power. Continue deporting all Muslims in sight and begin sealing our borders as well. THERE IS NO UPSIDE TO SEEKING A PATH TOWARDS COEXISTENCE WITH ISLAM. Islam does not seek to coexist with anyone and we are absolute idiots to operate on that principle. If Islam would rather die than coexist, give them death. It's the least we can do to repay their incessant atrocities. * David D's list of options: 1. SURRENDER: Islam's stated mission-- and to them, their manifest destiny-- is to convert the entire world to Islam; we could dispense with this entire war just by becoming Muslims and being done with it. 2. APPEASEMENT: Buy them off by giving them what they want. 3. IGNORE IT: Just ignore atrocities like the Islamic attacks on 9/11 and in Madrid, London, Bali, Israel and Beslan. 4. ISOLATION: Withdraw from the rest of the world and its troubles, keep our heads down and a low profile. 5. CRIMINAL PROSECUTION: Hunt down the terrorists who attack us and prosecute them for their crimes-- but only after they've committed them. And only if the ACLU lets us. 6. INTRUSIVE DOMESTIC SECURITY: We could prevent terrorist attacks by turning America into a police state, with intrusive government monitoring of all aspects of our lives and suspension of habeus corpus. Anyone even suspected of terrorist activity or sympathies, simply disappears in the middle of the night. 7. LIBERATION & REFORM: What we're doing now in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is trying to see if Arab/Islamic society can be detoxified by introducing democratic self-governance. Maybe it can; maybe it can't. We'll see. So far the results don't look very promising. 8. CONQUEST & SUBJUGATION: Invade their countries, assassinate their political and religious leaders, outlaw Islam and bulldoze their mosques, and rule them with an iron fist. 9. COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT: Respond to terrorist attacks on American soil with extravagantly disproportionate retaliation against their cities and their infrastructure. Repeated often enough, this will eventually lead to deterrence. 10. EXPULSION & QUARANTINE: Outlaw Islam within the U.S. and expel all Muslims, citizens or not. Forbid entry into the U.S.-- even for brief visits-- to all Muslims regardless of country of origin, and all nationals of whatever religion from countries that are predominantly Muslim. Seal the Canadian and Mexican borders tight with orders to shoot to kill, and NOT ask questions later. 11. EXTERMINATION: We could end this once and for all-- just nuke the entire Islamic world and let our descendents deal with the guilt. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2006-09-12 17:22 |
| #7 .com - Tired just like you described is what I am too. Just damn tired of it all. Whatever horror is required in the future to resolve this I want to just get on with. Enough of the pussyfooting around. |
| Posted by: Laurence of the Rats 2006-09-12 13:53 |
| #6 6 - Shhhh! That be ancient debris from the Name Wars! Besoeker - Ain't it sad? Just boggles the Western mind... but, as the Lee Harris article linked to yesterday points out, that's irrelevant... and where we made our first mistake... |
| Posted by: .com 2006-09-12 11:02 |
| #5 Nearly as vicious as Calhoun the Knife. |
| Posted by: 6 2006-09-12 10:55 |
| #4 I think he's kinda bastardly 'n prickish, myownself. :-) |
| Posted by: .commish 2006-09-12 10:49 |
| #3 I keep reading about this person called .com and how his insight and comments were missed on th RB, now I understand why. He hit the nail on the head with this one. I am so tired of hearing the MSM and liberals telling how afraid we should be, how our "friends" are blocking us in the UNSC, and how our government is failing. The world just doesn't get it. There are people in the US that don't give a shit about the human rights, the civil liberties, and the intrusion on person information of the people not supporting us or attacking us. WE WANT SOMEONES ASS KICKED NOW! I know that my side of the street is clean, they can have access to all my person data, they can do what they need to do to catch these bastards. ENOUGH! Get the job done! |
| Posted by: DESNC 2006-09-12 10:42 |
| #2 Good on ya .com, there really are no other viable alternatives. |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2006-09-12 10:16 |
| #1 "Concentrating on the response and ignoring the attack that provoked it..." Sounds like the NFL, when the flag goes against your team. I look at the roundup of stories from today, yesterday, the day before, ad infinitum ad nauseum, and I've just had my fill. I don't doubt we could accurately write half the headlines for tomorrow without much effort. I kinda like flyover's quarantine idea - and Dave D has commented favorably upon it today, too. It's dumb of us, of course, cuz we know it won't work - the triangulators and commerce whores will subvert it, but it's that last gasp effort before we go medieval across the board - or give up and submit. Wishful thinking, doncha know. Ugly time is near. I no longer care what happens to any Muzzy - or any internal enemy of the founding principles of America. I do still care about some non-Muzzies cuz they haven't devolved into attacking embassies, blowing up whatever trips their fancy, kidnapping tourists, killing indiscriminately, and, generally, proving they don't belong on the planet... but even that is wearing thin and capricious selectivity is coming into play. I guess my comment the other day about going ahead and just killing everyone we don't like was either unpalatable or thought to be a joke. It wasn't. I don't care anymore about anyone who wants to destroy the West, cares more for their immediate economic situation than having a future in a free and open society, wants to drag America down to Europe's Nanny-swamp level - or worse, or isn't willing to fight the assholes - for anything, including themselves, their families. I'm tired. There's no more room for knives in our backs, it's all full up from our allies and the creepy fucks at the UN, or for any more roaring mousies to latch onto our ankles. There's just no room at the inn. Randy Newman is a prophet and nailed it in Political Science. It stopped being funny and started making real sense some time ago, and now I've noticed. I just wanna fuck 'em all, now. Hard. |
| Posted by: .com 2006-09-12 09:41 |