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Home Front: Politix
Biden needs a history lesson "Delaware a slave state"
2006-08-28

In the YJCMTSU section today:
Sen. Joseph Biden says he can hold his own in a 2008 presidential primary against Democratic contenders from the South, noting that his home state of Delaware was a "slave state." Biden dismissed the notion that he was a "Northeastern liberal" who would have a poor showing in the South against other likely contenders such as Virginia Gov. Mark Warner and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, the 2004 Democratic vice presidential nominee.

"Better than anybody else," Biden said, when asked on "Fox News Sunday" to rate his chances of winning Southern states. "You don't know my state," he said. "My state was a slave state. My state is a border state. My state has the eighth-largest black population in the country. My state is anything from a Northeast liberal state." The last three Democrats to win the presidency — Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and Lyndon Johnson — came from the southern states of Arkansas, Georgia and Texas, respectively.

Um Senator Biden the CSA was made up of the following 13 States:
South Carolina (December 20, 1860)
Mississippi (January 9, 1861)
Florida (January 10, 1861)
Alabama (January 11, 1861)
Georgia (January 19, 1861)
Louisiana (January 26, 1861)
Texas (February 1, 1861)
Virginia (April 17, 1861)
Arkansas (May 6, 1861)
Tennessee (May 7, 1861)
North Carolina (May 20, 1861)
Missouri (October 31, 1861)
Kentucky (November 20, 1861)

Is Biden really from Delaware or is he a Rove plant? I mean really what politician wants to wrap himself in the Confederate flag?
Posted by:Cyber Sarge

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Posted by: JosephMendiola   2006-08-28 22:06  

#24  MMMmmmm, Chocolate.
Posted by: Homer Simpson   2006-08-28 18:18  

#23  I want Delaware to be a chocolate state!
Posted by: Mayor Nagin   2006-08-28 18:18  

#22  That Missouri "Boot heal" was no accident. Lots of post-Civil War history in them parts as well. None of it good.
Posted by: Besoeker   2006-08-28 17:10  

#21  Joe knows what he's talking about this time.
http://www.slavenorth.com/delaware.htm
Posted by: Darrell   2006-08-28 17:08  

#20  Nope, Wikipedia said the St. Louis vote was 1876 and the Balto. vote 1851. Carson City is the other one, together with all 39 cities in Virginia that are not in counties.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-08-28 15:45  

#19  may very well be true for St Louis, NS, I know nothing about that, and Missouris civil war history is a lot wilder than Marylands.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2006-08-28 14:56  

#18  Thanks, lh. I had learned it was because of the Civil War.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-08-28 13:56  

#17  I'd say Delaware is suffering from simple:

SLAVERY WITHOUT REPRESENTATION
Posted by: Besoeker   2006-08-28 13:53  

#16  Delaware is too small for a state. So is Road Island. They should share one senator.
Posted by: wxjames   2006-08-28 13:43  

#15  missouris is considered a border state, but the confed claim it had seceded makes a bit more sense, since the Mo legislature DID support seccession. But the convention called to declare secession opposed it, and so when Missouris own civil war broke out, the convention was declared by the Union to be the rightful govt of Missouri.

IIUC Baltimore is seperate from Balt County cause in the 19th c Balt was wealthy, the rural areas were poor, and so the city wanted to secede from the county for fiscal reasons, and had enough clout in Annapolis to pull it off. Kinda ironic how that one turned out, huh? :)


Re: Biden Hes not saying slavery was at all good, or that he knows whats best for black folk. Hes responding to folks who say the Dems can only win with a southerner at the head of the ticket, and giving that as a reason to nominate Warner or Gore or Clark, by saying "hey, Im a southerner too". If somebody says that sitting US Senators rarely win, he'll probably try to explain that hes not really a US Senator, or something. ;)
Posted by: liberalhawk   2006-08-28 13:38  

#14  cold, NS. Accurate, but cold.
Posted by: lotp   2006-08-28 12:28  

#13  Given that this is Joe Biden we're talking about, it's possible he just ripped off a speech by Mark Warner and forgot to update the details.
Posted by: WhitecollarRedneck   2006-08-28 12:23  

#12  Ouch.
Posted by: Bobby   2006-08-28 12:23  

#11  Delaware is sort of like Maryland; All the business sense of the South and the hospitality of the north.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-08-28 11:48  

#10  Missouri was a border state also. That's why St. Louis and Baltimore are not in counties.

But they do not have a Stuckey's in Delaware.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-08-28 11:47  

#9  LW, I will concede that Delaware was a slave state but nobody will ever confuse it with a "Souther State" and I thougth I would never a modern politician speak of slavery as a positive. Kind of like saying: "My ancestors owned them, so I know whats best for them." I think his mouth kept running when his brain turned off.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2006-08-28 11:45  

#8   Well it is below the Mason-Dixon line.

Yeah, but do they have Waffle House?

I figure you could be in the South if you can drive north down the highway and reach a Waffle House. (Weirdly, where I live in Maryland, that fits.)
Posted by: eLarson   2006-08-28 11:37  

#7  On this matter, Slow Joe is technically correct: slavery was legal (though not widespread) in Delaware right up until the 13th Amendment went into effect.

More info at slavenorth.com...

Posted by: Dave D.   2006-08-28 11:16  

#6  I think what Joe meant to say is that Delaware, a state with the 8th largest black population, is currently a Plantation State run by white liberal Democrats with the consent of a majority of the black population.
Posted by: Mark Z   2006-08-28 11:15  

#5  The North lost the coin toss at the start of the Civil War, so they got Kentucky, Maryland, and Delaware.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman   2006-08-28 11:09  

#4  Delaware WAS a slave state. It was not a Confederate state. IE it was identical to Maryland in that regard. And effectively similar to Kentucky, despite the Confederacy recognizing Kentucky as a Confed state, based mainly on wishful thinking, IIUC.

Deleware, is therefore, normally considered a border state. Though it had fewer slaves than Md or Kentucky, and it provided troops to the North but not the South, unlike Md which had about equal numbers of volunteers on each side. So Delaware was about the most northern leaning of the border states, and today is pretty much a northeastern state in its politics, at least as much as Maryland and much more so than Virginia. So Biden is stretching things a bit, but on the historical question hes right.

Posted by: liberalhawk   2006-08-28 11:07  

#3  Well it is below the Mason-Dixon line.
Posted by: 6   2006-08-28 10:59  

#2  border state? how about a geography lesson?
Posted by: Frank G   2006-08-28 10:38  

#1  Sorry wrong category
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2006-08-28 10:33  

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